TheWiz

2 hours ago, jane02 said:

I will never forget that as long as I live. I was at the game and surrounded by Pies supporters who looked like they had a total combined IQ of about 10 between them. I couldn’t stand it so left my seat and went and sat downstairs. I refused to talk to my husband for about a week and told him I will never, ever go to a Collingwood game with him ever again. This still makes my blood boil. 
I have not watched one minute of last years GF and never will. It make me feel sick to think that thug has a premiership medal.

I’m with you Jane. The moment I heard them booing when he was still down I vowed to never go to another Collingwood game again.

This would be even harder on the players, and I hope the club can use this emotion as a positive force this season. They had an opportunity to against Carlton and didn’t. This is their chance to do it again. Do it for Gus.

Congratulations on an amazing AFL career Gus. Decisions like this are always the most difficult, but you have the whole of your life to enjoy and well done in prioritising that.

You’re forever a Dees legend 🏆🔴🔵

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

Whether or not we drafted to cover Gawn we still have a massive over reliance on him. The Pies beat us without Daicos. Had Gawn not played that night it might of got ugly

Im struggling to understand your point. You’re saying it’s irrelevant of our drafting to cover Gawn, then you use an example where if Gawn didn’t play we would have had Grundy - which from the other rounds he covered - we would have been fine?

I think Lloyd is right in a few instances.

- have we been playing too safely? Yep, fair call. Couple of questionable calls last year and there seemed to be a reluctance to change any strategy part way through games. For example I think we all felt the frustrations at the continuous and predictable kick outs.

- have we relied too much on Gawn? No. We drafted for this need with Fullerton, and last year we drafted Grundy and mixed up our forward rucking. Sure he is aging, but unfair to say we’re relying on him when we’ve actively drafted against that.

- uncertain on how we’ll perform this year? Yep, ok I can see that. My personal view is that we will finish top 4 and win the granny, but I can see how others see our injuries (particularly forward injuries) as a continuation of last year and that it’s been a few years since our last finals win.

I wouldn’t say this is ground breaking journalism, and nothing for us to get our knickers in a knot about.

1 hour ago, von said:

How do we measure today if we don’t know what our intent was going in? Did we try and shut them down when they kicked ten straight or did we continue to work on our attacking game.

When the pressure comes we know how we will Play. We know how Collingwood will play too. Like us.
 

If we can play the way we were at the end of last year with ten percent more efficiency we win a flag. By working on skills and run now and early in the year, hopefully allowing the work we’ve done continuously for a few years on goal kicking and skill work to progress and inject some better ball users into important positions we should do alright.

brown jr looked great. Get him in the gym and onto the park asap 

My thoughts on today’s intention wasn’t necessarily strategy, it was more being able to play players in new roles and give rookies an opportunity to play in a higher standard and see any gems - like K Brown.

For example I don’t think we could say we were looking to shut them down this way or play this way when we had a 19 year old rookie ruck at the bounce and Max on the bench! It’s a scratch match!

I think we’re singing from the same hymn book, and Carlton’s community match should be a better indication of pressure, strategy and intent.

Watching on TV. Could see Trac on his haunches and looking a little bit uncomfortable early in this 2nd term and haven’t seen him since.
 

Can anyone at the game see him?

Update: He has come back on around 24:00 and moving fine

Been impressed with Billings. Clean on hands, pretty accurate inside 50 and has stood up well in tackles.

Excited to see Windsor, how Billings will be played, who will be more suited to backfill Pig’s role out of Tomlinson / Howes, any opportunities for Verrall, and from a game play perspective how we enter forward 50 and our accuracy.

For Richmond I’m interested to see Yze’s style, and also keen on seeing McAuliffe - apparently a jet.

Go Dees

As much as I hate this type of commentary, they’re right - we’re incredibly frustrating to watch. We are so much better than some of our results, which for a number of reasons (injuries, inside 50s, sub decisions etc) was what it was last year.

The only way to silence everyone is to win games. I really hope we take that step forward this year and win it again. I honestly believe we can.

Go dees.

9 hours ago, picket fence said:

Given our forward issues, I doubt we can win in Sydney😬

They’re going through a lot of change with a new ruck and new midfield, so potentially might not be clicking R0.

To all the haters…

43 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Thank you for clarifying. I should’ve known it was the AFL.

 I believe it will be a sell-out. Capacity at Ikon is 12,000 and Blues fans are all aboard the bandwagon, they’re already planning their post-premiership parties. 😁

Stop it you’re making me ill!! After the way they behaved last year I will never go to another Carlton or Collingwood game unless it’s a Grand Final.

Any news on May and reports he looked in a bit of discomfort in the last training session?

4 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Ideally they fold a Victorian club up. Will never happen but 18 clubs is enough.

Agreed. I thought they might do that with North, but given the latest cash pump and draft package they’re probably safe!

Whilst we were on the bottom we had to endure two expansion clubs and free agency. If clubs don’t get their picks and performance in line between now and 2028 they’re in for a rough ride… or if they’re in VIC the risk of being moved.

6 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

@TheWiz

I have most of the stats from that article. Here are the top 10 rucks across the various stats in 2023, and I have also included a table at the end comparing all rucks in 2023 with 10+ matches (note the text in the table may wrap on a mobile device).

Rating Points
 1 | 16.5 | Tim English (WB)
 2 | 15.3 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 15.0 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 4 | 13.9 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 5 | 13.8 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 6 | 13.3 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 7 | 13.3 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 8 | 13.2 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 9 | 13.1 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
10 | 13.1 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)

Score Involvement %
 1 | 26.7 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 2 | 25.5 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 3 | 22.7 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 4 | 22.6 | Tim English (WB)
 5 | 21.2 | Sam Draper (Ess)
 6 | 20.9 | Hayden McLean (Syd)
 7 | 19.8 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 8 | 19.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 9 | 19.2 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
10 | 18.9 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)

Metres Gained
 1 | 280.7 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 2 | 263.4 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 3 | 262.4 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 4 | 255.0 | Tim English (WB)
 5 | 221.3 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 6 | 210.0 | Sam Draper (Ess)
 7 | 200.2 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
 8 | 199.1 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 9 | 182.1 | Tom De Koning (Carl)
10 | 175.6 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)

Marks
 1 | 6.3 | Tim English (WB)
 2 | 5.2 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 4.6 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 4 | 4.4 | Hayden McLean (Syd)
 5 | 3.6 | Mason Cox (Coll)
 6 | 3.4 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 6 | 3.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 8 | 3.4 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 9 | 3.4 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
10 | 2.9 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)

Contested Marks
 1 | 2.3 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 2 | 1.5 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 3 | 1.5 | Mason Cox (Coll)
 4 | 1.5 | Hayden McLean (Syd)
 5 | 1.5 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 6 | 1.4 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 7 | 1.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 8 | 1.3 | Tim English (WB)
 9 | 1.2 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
10 | 1.1 | Sam Draper (Ess)

Intercept Marks
 1 | 2.0 | Tim English (WB)
 2 | 1.9 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 1.5 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 4 | 1.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 5 | 1.4 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 6 | 1.3 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 7 | 1.1 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 8 | 1.1 | Brodie Grundy (Melb)
 9 | 1.0 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
10 | 1.0 | Luke Jackson (Frem)

Clearances
 1 | 6.5 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 2 | 5.6 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
 3 | 5.0 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 4 | 4.3 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
 4 | 4.3 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 6 | 4.3 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 7 | 4.2 | Bailey J. Williams (WC)
 8 | 4.2 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 9 | 4.1 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
10 | 4.0 | Scott Lycett (Port)

Tackles
 1 | 5.5 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
 2 | 4.8 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 4.6 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 4 | 4.5 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 5 | 4.3 | Tim English (WB)
 6 | 3.7 | Scott Lycett (Port)
 7 | 3.6 | Lloyd Meek (Haw)
 8 | 3.5 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 9 | 3.4 | Bailey J. Williams (WC)
10 | 3.2 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
23 | 2.0 | Max Gawn (Melb)

Hitouts
 1 | 39.2 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 2 | 39.1 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 3 | 38.6 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 4 | 33.8 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
 5 | 32.5 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
 6 | 31.2 | Tim English (WB)
 7 | 29.2 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 8 | 28.3 | Rhys Stanley (Geel)
 9 | 28.2 | Ned Reeves (Haw)
10 | 27.6 | Bailey J. Williams (WC)
14 | 25.7 | Max Gawn (Melb)

Hitouts Win %
 1 | 56.8 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 2 | 50.7 | Andrew Phillips (Ess)
 3 | 50.0 | Ned Reeves (Haw)
 4 | 49.6 | Mason Cox (Coll)
 5 | 49.5 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 6 | 49.5 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 7 | 49.0 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 8 | 47.9 | Brodie Grundy (Melb)
 9 | 47.7 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
10 | 46.6 | Samson Ryan (Rich)

Hitouts To Advantage %
 1 | 38.0 | Samson Ryan (Rich)
 2 | 35.0 | Marc Pittonet (Carl)
 3 | 33.8 | Tim English (WB)
 4 | 33.4 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 5 | 32.7 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 6 | 31.6 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 7 | 30.7 | Ned Reeves (Haw)
 8 | 30.4 | Ben Miller (Rich)
 9 | 30.4 | Brodie Grundy (Melb)
10 | 30.1 | Sam Draper (Ess)
11 | 30.1 | Max Gawn (Melb)

 

Ruck Stats, 2023, 10+ matches

Legend
Mt: Matches
TOG: Time on ground %
RP: Rating Points
D: Disposals
MG: Metres Gained
CBA %: Centre Bounce Attendance %
CL: Clearances
Mk: Marks
CM: Contested Marks
IM: Intercept Marks
G: Goals
SI %: Score Involvements % (out of all team scores)
T: Tackles
RC%: Ruck Contest %
HO: Hitouts
HO Win %: Hitouts win %
HO Adv %: Hitouts to advantage %

	Mt	TOG	RP	D	MG	CBA %	CL	Mk	CM	IM	G	SI %	T	RC%	HO	HO Win%	HO Adv%
Tim English (WB)	23	85.9	16.5	19.1	255.0	83.7	3.2	6.3	1.3	2.0	16	22.6	4.3	76.8	31.2	39.5	33.8
Rowan Marshall (St K)	24	84.5	15.3	20.5	280.7	86.7	5.0	5.2	1.5	1.9	8	22.7	4.8	74.9	26.6	40.0	27.9
Kieren Briggs (GWS)	17	75.6	15.0	15.4	263.4	80.0	6.5	2.8	0.7	1.3	4	18.2	4.5	74.4	25.9	38.4	32.7
Max Gawn (Melb)	22	81.1	13.9	16.9	262.4	64.9	4.3	4.6	2.3	1.4	10	19.8	2.0	57.5	25.7	49.0	30.1
Todd Goldstein (NM)	20	79.3	13.8	13.0	134.9	73.7	3.6	2.2	0.9	1.1	4	18.6	1.9	70.0	29.2	44.7	33.4
Luke Jackson (Frem)	23	82.6	13.3	15.0	199.1	44.6	2.6	3.4	1.2	1.0	22	26.7	3.5	45.5	17.7	40.3	30.0
Jarrod Witts (GC)	21	82.8	13.3	13.8	156.6	84.2	4.3	2.4	0.7	0.4	4	19.2	2.6	83.7	39.2	49.5	31.6
Sean Darcy (Frem)	15	74.5	13.2	13.8	165.2	77.7	4.1	3.4	1.5	1.0	4	25.5	3.2	69.5	39.1	56.8	28.3
Oscar McInerney (Bris)	25	82.6	13.1	12.4	200.2	80.8	5.6	1.8	0.9	0.6	9	13.5	2.9	77.0	33.8	43.7	27.8
Toby Nankervis (Rich)	15	80.3	13.1	16.7	175.6	78.6	4.3	2.5	0.3	0.9	3	18.3	5.5	74.1	32.5	47.7	26.5
Reilly O'Brien (Adel)	23	81.3	12.8	12.4	85.1	82.6	2.9	2.9	1.4	1.5	4	17.9	3.1	75.8	38.6	49.5	29.2
Mark Blicavs (Geel)	19	76.9	12.4	15.8	221.3	71.9	4.2	3.4	0.9	0.5	12	18.9	4.6	30.0	10.6	36.0	26.2
Darcy Cameron (Coll)	19	74.2	10.9	13.1	129.7	62.6	3.2	3.4	1.4	1.4	5	19.4	3.2	65.1	25.8	41.7	30.0
Tom De Koning (Carl)	19	78.4	10.7	12.0	182.1	51.1	3.5	2.8	1.0	0.8	9	17.9	2.5	49.0	17.7	39.8	28.2
Sam Draper (Ess)	14	76.7	10.7	11.0	210.0	66.1	3.1	2.6	1.1	0.6	10	21.2	2.0	60.7	20.1	39.8	30.1
Brodie Grundy (Melb)	17	69.9	10.7	14.3	152.8	54.4	2.9	2.7	0.8	1.1	10	16.5	2.9	47.7	20.5	47.9	30.4
Bailey J. Williams (WC)	23	81.8	10.4	12.8	165.2	83.7	4.2	1.9	0.7	0.8	5	15.8	3.4	73.5	27.6	37.9	24.1
Rhys Stanley (Geel)	13	77.5	9.6	11.9	147.2	79.3	2.3	2.3	0.2	0.5	0	12.3	2.5	65.3	28.3	45.0	21.7
Tom Hickey (Syd)	12	73.7	9.5	12.2	134.3	78.0	3.2	2.2	0.6	0.4	0	14.6	2.4	66.5	23.7	35.9	22.2
Ned Reeves (Haw)	21	74.0	9.3	8.1	63.0	65.6	2.4	1.5	0.4	0.8	2	15.4	2.7	62.7	28.2	50.0	30.7
Hayden McLean (Syd)	22	79.5	9.1	12.3	150.7	28.5	1.3	4.4	1.5	0.9	21	20.9	2.5	31.0	9.7	32.9	23.5
Marc Pittonet (Carl)	18	69.2	8.6	9.5	69.4	69.5	3.1	1.3	0.4	0.8	0	13.2	1.8	63.0	24.8	42.0	35.0
Scott Lycett (Port)	14	69.1	8.6	10.6	103.6	73.3	4.0	1.0	0.1	0.1	0	13.9	3.7	62.9	24.7	41.4	28.9
Lloyd Meek (Haw)	16	69.9	8.5	9.6	72.0	46.4	2.1	2.2	0.8	0.7	3	13.2	3.6	48.6	18.0	42.7	29.5
Mason Cox (Coll)	19	66.4	7.7	8.2	121.7	40.6	1.2	3.6	1.5	0.8	17	16.4	1.4	37.2	17.1	49.6	27.2
Ben Miller (Rich)	13	73.6	7.6	7.3	94.9	22.2	0.8	2.4	0.5	0.5	6	13.2	2.2	23.2	8.8	40.2	30.4
Samson Ryan (Rich)	14	69.5	7.1	7.1	139.2	29.5	1.1	2.9	0.8	0.4	12	14.6	0.8	28.5	12.2	46.6	38.0
Andrew Phillips (Ess)	20	69.9	6.6	7.6	105.0	47.4	1.8	2.3	0.8	0.6	5	14.7	2.4	48.5	20.7	50.7	28.0

 

All these stats are available at:

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html?year=2023

Thanks so much Wheelo, this is really interesting!!

I’m a bit unsure how I feel about Gawn’s average tackles. On the one hand it’s pressure and potential turnover, but on the other it could be an injury or suspension risk! (Particularly with how big some of these guys are).

4 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Foxtel just released its pricing for the traditional "box" set up as from 1 Feb 2024.

It's a monthly charge of  $70 plus $30 for the sports package.

Some online posters are suggesting that Foxtel are setting up for another Kayo rise in 2025.

Would you pay $50 per month for Sports via Kayo (4K .. 2 screens.. no password sharing {Netflix mode})

This comment was made by the Foxtel CEO on subscribers via the traditional box set up.

Patrick Delaney, boss of Foxtel, in December to shareholders: "We haven't been running it for subscriber numbers for a long time. It, by and large, is older Australians that are wealthy... we'll continue to squeeze as much revenue out as possible"

I’m currently on $39 for Foxtel Plus and $25 for Sports HD. Big increase.

Will have to balance the cost of living, or the Kayo buffering + a very unhappy partner!!

24 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Here are all the Hitout Ratings for 2022 as average hitouts don't paint the entire picture. Max played 22 games and Preuss played 10. Jackson also played 22 games (1 or 2 without Max)

Rating points

1. Tim English (Western Bulldogs) - 15.7

2. Jarrod Witts (Gold Coast) - 14.8

3. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 14.5

4. Matt Flynn (GWS) - 13.4

5. Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide) - 13.3

6. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 13.1

7. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 13.1

8. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 12.9

9. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 12.9

10. Reilly O'Brien (Adelaide) - 12.5

Score Involvements

1. Tim English (Western Bulldogs) - 7.6

2. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 6.5

3. Sean Darcy (Fremantle) - 5.8

4. Rhys Stanley (Geelong) - 5.7

5. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 5.6

6. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 5.5

7. Luke Jackson (Melbourne) - 5.2

8. Sam Draper (Essendon) - 5.0

9. Reilly O'Brien (Adelaide) - 4.9

10. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 4.8

10. Rowan Marshall (St Kilda) - 4.8

Clearances

1. Tom Hickey (Sydney) - 6.0

2. Tim English (Western Bulldogs) - 6.0

3. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 5.5

4. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 5.3

5. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 5.0

6. Sean Darcy (Fremantle) - 4.8

7. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 4.5

8. Oscar McInerney (Brisbane) - 4.3

9. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 4.2

10. Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide) - 4.2

Hitouts

1. Jarrod Witts (Gold Coast) - 37.4

2. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 36.5

3. Reilly O'Brien (Adelaide) - 31.9

4. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 30.3

5. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 29.7

6. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 27.8

7. Sam Draper (Essendon) - 27.4

8. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 27.4

9. Sam Hayes (Port Adelaide) - 26.3

10. Toby Nankervis (Richmond) - 25.3

Hitouts Win %

1. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 56.8

2. Paddy Ryder (St Kilda) - 54.5

3. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 53.5

4. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 53.0

5. Andrew Phillips (Essendon) - 51.2

6. Jarrod Witts (Gold Coast) - 50.7

7. Toby Nankervis (Richmond) - 50.1

8. Todd Goldstein (North Melbourne) - 50.0

9. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 49.5

10. Ned Reeves (Hawthorn) - 47.8

Hitouts to Advantage %

1. Marc Pittonet (Carlton) - 44.2

2. Jarrod Witts (Gold Coast) - 38.9

3. Sean Darcy (Fremantle) - 38.4

4. Matt Flynn (GWS) - 37.9

5. Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide) - 36.5

6. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 36.0

7. Sam Hayes (Port Adelaide) - 35.4

8. Tom De Koning (Carlton) - 35.4

9. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 32.9

10. Tom Hickey (Sydney) - 32.9

Sharked Hitouts %

1. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 36.0

2. Luke Jackson (Melbourne) - 31.7

3. Sam Draper (Essendon) - 27.6

4, Oscar McInerny (Brisbane) - 26.5

5. Lloyd Meek (Fremantle) - 26.1

6. Rhys Stanley (Geelong) - 26.1

7. Rowan Marshall (St Kilda) - 25.9

8. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 25.3

9. Hugh Dixon (West Coast) - 25

10. Reilly O'Brien (Adelaide) - 24.7

Hitouts to Score %

1. Marc Pittonet (Carlton) - 13.7

2. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 12.6

3. Max Lynch (Hawthorn) - 12.5

4. Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide) - 12.5

5. Paddy Ryder (St Kilda) - 12.2

6. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 12.0

7. Sean Darcy (Fremantle) - 11.6

8. Rhys Stanley (Geelong) - 11.5

9. Lloyd Meek (Fremantle) - 11.4

10. Tom De Koning (Carlton) - 11.0

10. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 11.0

Hitouts to Opposition Score %

1. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 22.0

2. Sam Draper (Essendon) - 12.0

3. Tom Hickey (Sydney) - 11.0

4. Hugh Dixon (West Coast) - 10.7

5. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 10.1

6. Luke Jackson (Melbourne) - 10.0

7. Paddy Ryder (St Kilda) - 9.5

8. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 9.3

9. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 8.9

10. Oscar McInerny (Brisbane) - 8.0

Clearance to Team Score % (Best teams at converting from clearances)

1. Geelong (29.1)
2. Collingwood (27.8)
3. Hawthorn (27.7)
4. Carlton (26.7)
5. Adelaide (26.0)
6. Melbourne (25.9)
7. Richmond (25.40
8. Sydney (25.3)
9. GWS (25.1)
10. Western Bulldogs (25.0)
11. Essendon (24.5)
12. Brisbane (23.9)
13. St Kilda (23.6)
14. Fremantle (22.9)
15. West Coast (22.5)
16. Port Adelaide (21.8)
17. North Melbourne (20.1)
18. Gold Coast (19.5)

Opposition Clearance to Score % (Worst teams at defending clearances)

1. Richmond (31.5)
2. Essendon (27.7)
3. North Melbourne (27.5)
4. West Coast (26.1)
5. Sydney (26.0)
6. Gold Coast (25.4)
7. Adelaide (25.1)
8. Carlton (24.5)
9. Hawthorn (24.4)
10. Fremantle (23.8)
11. Melbourne (23.3)
12. Brisbane (23.3)
13. Collingwood (22.8)
14. Geelong (22.7)
15. GWS (22.7)
16. Western Bulldogs (22.5)
17. Port Adelaide (21.4)
18. St Kilda (21.3)

Oooft this is fantastic - thank you.

What’s your source? Would love to dig into this further and look at intercept marks and tackles as well

What’s really interesting from this stats  is Grundy’s rankings too.

4 minutes ago, 58er said:

And his goals his hand passes his kicks his shepherds his captaincy his care for the Club and all players 

Dont  think we’ll miss his 5 hit outs!!!! 

100% agree!

Was just referencing Gawn as I think he is the best ruck, a known player to us, and also Preuss moved from Melbourne to GWS so a relevant comparison to my previous point about GWS’ ruck coaching and recruiting.

4 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

No worries, thanks 👍🏽 I thought noob was just another word for newbie… I didn’t know it was a derogatory term. It’s especially important for me to know this since putting our players down is something I simply don’t do.

Not a problem at all and I know that wasn’t and would never be your intention!

57 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

They have this part of training every session where the noobs (rookies and new to the Club) train together away from the main group. My mate is excited about Caleb… right now he’s NOT in the noobs group as he usually is… he’s with the main group!

Hey WCW, just a note that noob is a bit more of a put down term and mainly comes from online gaming.

Newbie might be a better term if you don’t want to offend!

11 hours ago, Palace Dees said:

Very generous to say Pruess has done well. 10 games in 3 years - all in 2022. When he's not injured, he's suspended.  

He did do his shoulder in 2021 and back in 2023.

Interesting stat for 2022 is that his average hit outs was 32.6 compared to Gawn’s 27.0…

The first half of his season was fantastic but he dropped off a bit towards the end. Marshall would have been close to AA over him. Will be interesting to see how he performs this year. 
 

Alternatively could we pinch GWS’ ruck coach?! They never seem to have a shortage of good rucks. Mumford, Preuss and Briggs. All journey men towards the end of their careers and all have done well there.

20 hours ago, picket fence said:

Shane Mc Adams IS A FREAK,!! Just knows where to run, is stealthy, crafty and will make a HUGE impact this year.

Thanks so much Picket. Loved reading this about McAdams. Do you know which position Kossy was playing? 

26 minutes ago, Jeremy said:

No one’s saying midfield depth was our issue last year. We’re saying it’s going to be an issue THIS year. How can you not see that? When we lost Oliver, we could’ve called on Jordan, Harmes, Dunstan if we wanted to. Who are we calling on this year if need be? Oliver will not be there at the start of the season, Brayshaw will not be there in the midfield at the start of the season. It’s a completely different ball game this year. 

The context was what our midfield depth is without Oliver, so apologies for me referencing this exact problem in the most recent season.

To your point above when we lost Oliver we didn’t use Dunstan once, we used Harmes as a sub/subbed 3 times and only played Jordan 4 times (including as a sub). So barely using these players which we’ve lost seemed to work?