BoBo

Yep fair point.

I hate to say it and this might [censored] a lot of people off, but I’m just being completely honest. In 20 years, this demons team is going to be remembered as chokers. ‘yeah they won a premiership in 21, then lost 4 finals in a row, crashed down the ladder and suffered one of the worst losses ever to an average Saints team’ Nobody is going to give two [censored] that we ‘almost won’ those finals, that we had injuries or whatever. It brings me no joy, but that’ll be the story. That’s why this loss is way worse than 186. I have rarely heard non-Melbourne supporters bring up 186, if ever. This Saints loss will be remembered and ties a neat bow around this [censored] era. I think a lot of us feel so angry, because this loss is a bookend to a wasted era. If others disagree, then that’s fine. I personally don’t think it’s ok that this team produced 1 flag. I’m actually so dirty about it.

Imagine the players we’ll attract to the club this year, haha ‘Well the coach could be gone 3 games into the season and our training ground is 2000 miles away but we do have the best club colours’

Just a nice, lowkey, focused summer of pre-season 😂

I think it was good that he said something, shows someone is driving the ship even if it is just window dressing. But I’m agnostic on what was written in there to be honest. And yes, I don’t really know if there’s anything that could be said to satisfy people (which I think is justified considering it’s arguably the one of the greatest losses ever basically), but I’m of the opinion saying nothing would’ve come across as even worse. And your last statement is very very true, we don’t need this to blow up anymore than it already has so I think I’m ok with a conservatively written statement like the one penned. What a [censored] show, haha

May I just ask what did people want Brad Green to say in that letter that wasn’t included? I.e. was there not enough focus on how [censored] the performance was? Was it glossing over how angry the fans are? Not defending it, just curious as to what people wanted him to be saying so close to the loss. (Obviously outside of ‘we are sacking X’ as that’s probably a process that is difficult with out a President/CEO in place or without consultation in implementing a process to be able to tee up a coach)

But the mindset of the players is exactly what the head coach is responsible for? Like their number 1 priority is ensuring the mentality of the players is right going into games? If a groups of players mindset isn’t right, then I don’t see how it doesn’t fall on the coach. If the players are disregarding what the coach is saying then I’m sorry but that too falls on the coach is there is a disconnect. I’m not saying this is 100% the fault of Goodwin either, it’s a multifaceted issue and from what I can see a bunch of systemic faults at play, but Goodwin cannot be excused in totality either.

This is a worry of mine, that Goodwin will make decisions to try and fix up the team for next year to save his job, rather than making bold decisions that will see results over a longer time period. Patience has basically run out, so if a coach is in that position, rationally it would make sense for his next decisions to be based on short term success rather than more long term overhauls.

Oh, my apologies also @Demonland , I didn’t see that post either before I commented

P.S. can all the members of the Pod please allow themselves a few minutes each of totally expletive ladened free time to just let rip. I cannot believe we are in this position!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Huuuurrrrrrgggghhhhh….We’re gonna have to rebuild when Tassie comes in and sweeps up a bunch of draft picks aren’t we? On recent history we cannot recruit good (not even gun, just good) players from other clubs. Tracc/Oliver way overpaid and under skilled for the current high skill based game plan and their trade value has surely decreased significantly. We have bugger all gun players in the 23-27 (or 100-150 game bracket) on top of weak list depth. Forward line still an issue, JVR and Jeffo no guarantee either will make it. We have a good core of young players for sure, but North have years of high draft picks and they are nowhere. Recruiting good players is a must and we seem unable too. The idiom of a creek and lack of a paddle comes to mind.

Bloody hell, GWS ey! They should really pick more fights as they play their best when things get aggressive on field

I agree with everything you’re saying, I would just distill my disagreement on the wording/logic of this decision based upon the fact that the reasoning Gleeson has used to arrive at his decision, is post-hoc justification. It’s very transparent and frankly pretty insulting that the method he has used is: Concussion is the end point, so work back from there to justify why the outcome is wrong. I know I’m banging on about this but man, people need to fully understand that the words ‘could’, ‘should’, ‘reasonable’ are carrying the inherent justifications he has used, can literally be used to suspend any player, ever, in which an injury had occurred. Players ‘should’ and ‘could’ make 100 different decisions and the allocation of ‘reasonable’ can be applied and justified, again post-hoc, to literally every single contested ball or injury outcome. It’s a contact sport, so all players ‘should’ know that an injury ‘could’ potentially happen by any play that involves physicality, therefore, they ‘could’ have made different decisions to mitigate the potential for injury. This logic can be applied to anything!!! If it was applied in this way equally, players would be suspended every single game. I know the vast majority of people are against this decision but it is painfully absurd in its logic.

Just think about the logic of the should and could for a second. If a player was to purposefully kick another player in the knee and cause damage then it’s a suspension. Now just say a player tackles another player, and the tackled players leg gets twisted and they have a season ending knee injury as a result. The tackling player SHOULD have known that those kinda of knee injuries are possible and thus knowing this, COULD have not tackled the player with the ball, so therefore, that’s weeks right there. That is a completely analogous situation to the May one. There’s zero difference in terms of the logic. It’s ludicrous.

‘Should have been thinking about what would happen if he didn’t get their first’ This applies to every contest of the footy and every resulting injury. By that logic, every single injury caused by an opposition player, regardless of context, could and should be able to be mitigated against.

This line is so ludicrously stupid that it doesn’t make sense. Could have reacted before the moment of the last bounce of the ball: It was a contest to get to the ball, these are professional athletes playing a professional sport and any player at anytime ‘COULD’ do anything to mitigate injury, but then that’s compromising what sport is about… COMPETING. And ‘should’ have reacted before the last bounce… why should he? How does he make a determination on what a bounce is going to do before he gets there???? They’re saying that May ‘should’ have known before the last bounce of the ball, which way the ball was as going to bounce. WTAF? Think about the logic of those two sentiments!!! May didn’t do anything that wasn’t a part of the game. There is no point of the footage where you can point to and say ‘that isn’t allowed in AFL’. You could also apply this level of ‘could’ and ‘should’ to any injury ever? Players could do a million things to stop injury, just don’t tackle, don’t run as hard, don’t pack mark etc. etc. etc. and if it results in an injury then you can just say ‘oh the player ‘should’ have foreseen an injury coming up’… like no [censored] chit, it’s a 360 degree contact (apparently semi now) sport.

I think this is what I meant but I didn’t say it correctly! So we lose the most games that we should’ve won on expected scores?

Just on this… Surely we’d have to be expected scores ladder leaders???

Xerri just did a coat hanger, pretty clear and simple. If you’re going for the ball, you’ll turn your head or body, toward the ball. Xerri keeps his head dead straight and just swings the arm out.

Can we get Leek Aleer?? He’s available apparently

Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t, for a kicking game I think it has some explanatory value of our entry woes, but that could just be me

I don’t think Spargo is considered in the ‘mid-forwards’ bracket no.

Kicking Efficiency out of the 183 midfielders or mid-forwards listed on Wheelo Ratings. Ed Langdon 13th Xavier Lindsay 20th Harvey Langford 27th Chandler 59th Pickett 110th Oliver 142nd Viney 169th Tracc 176th

Yeah maybe, I guess from an investment perspective I’d rather see Kolt stay in for the rest of the year because he’s still so young.

I’d rather see the opposite and give them a run at AFL for the rest of the year, I doubt we are going to find any magic bullets with the players on our list by years end, so may as well give them a series of games.