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So depressing that we will most likely be bottom 4 and we won’t even have our natural 1st round draft pick. Least Lindsay and Langford look good. But our method is broken and our talent forward of the ball is not good enough

Not a trade target , but why we didn’t select Logan Morris in the draft a couple of years back when we are screaming out for key forwards that can mark and kick goals, I have no idea !!

We absolutely have the least talent and goal kicking power in our forward line in the whole comp except for maybe Richmond. Our Key forward stocks while ok for numbers are really lacking in quality compared to most of the competition. Hopefully JVR rediscovers his form ASAP. We need to find out if guys like Turner, Fullerton and Jefferson and even Kentfield when fit, have what it takes. If Fullerton continues to bang down the door in the VFL we surely have to give him a go ! Our small forwards too, apart from Pickett who is now more a mid just don’t play like regular scoring threats either.

Hi Guys, really appreciate your efforts on the podcas. the analysis and thoughtful discussion helps us all makes sense of where we are at as a footy club at moment. Question mainly for Binman but happy for any of the panel sharing their thoughts How is that Geelong had so much more ease moving the ball from their back line in a slow play compared to us. We were forced so many more times having to kick down the line to a contest. We would gain a bit of territory with short chipping but then quite often had resort to kicking long as there there no other easy options to move the ball. In comparison they quite often moved the ball with so much more space , it didn’t alway lead to scores but it was alarming. Is it a product of poor team defence and pressure from us or just skilled kicking and decision making by them. Conversely for us, was our stilted ball movement from not running hard enough to create options or just not having enough players skilled or brave enough to take riskier kicks to open up the ground. I’m guessing a combination of both. I get that the new game plan is going to take time but we must get better at this and recruit accordingly if we are going to get anywhere in the next few years. In addition did Goodwin letting them have an intercepting marking player ( Henry and Stewart) as spare in their backline contribute to easy ball movement for them and harder ball movement for us. To give them so many uncontested marks absolutely killed us, surely that’s on coaching. We did look a little better at times when we could generate a handball receive off a slow play and create some run that way. Thanks again Jack

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There was a poster on the Mcvee contract thread who said he had inside information that Mcvee wants to move back home West. Hope it isn’t true

God I’m sick of hearing of players wanting to leave the club , I know players movement is more common these days and understand there are sometimes complicated genuine family reasons. But we have had Jackson, ANB , Petracca, Oliver, Pickett and now reportedly Mcvee too It’s not great ! Hopefully we have sorted some of the cultural issues out for this season , and it seems to be a more connected place this year. However we are constantly having places wanting to leave the last few seasons, with very few quality players wanting to come to us . It needs to change . Not sure if it’s culture or we just need to be more careful recruiting interstate players , but I’m sick of it

Geez looks like a significant hammy. Maybe with the time on the sidelines, Judd can sign a new contract. Got a feeling WA clubs will come hard for him

We will have multiple good options possibly available at pick 9 all sorts of different players available as well Midfielders - Smillie , Reid , Lindsay , Allen Talls - Armstrong , Tauru Small Fwd - Berry I wouldn’t mind us taking a risk on Taj Hotton ( was looking like a too 5 pick before his ACL earlier in the year )

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This is exactly how I feel about the situation. If Geelong think he is worth pursuing, Why don’t we want to keep him ? Particularly when we will get severe unders and still probably have to pay some of his wage. You need an elite midfield to win a flag , without Oliver we don’t have that. We don’t seem to be attracting anyone else of note to fill the void this post season. So where are we at then ? Are we saying we are rebuilding ? We all know that can take a lot of time and that’s if we get it right with recruiting the right kids. It’s a real concern if we can’t land anyone of note in this trade period, Its really hard to see how we are in a better list position next year compared to this year at the moment unfortunately.

In the unlikely scenario we trade all of Petracca , Oliver and Viney. How do we go into 2025 with a competitive midfield , that already lacks depth ? Do we go into complete rebuild mode or do we look to bring in some midfielders from other clubs as well as use some high end draft picks ? Our midfield would lack established A grade talent unless we were able to pry a star midfielder out of another club. Or do we just rebuild around Rivers, Mcvee , Tholstrup and hope that Sparrow might improve his output ? Most likely we won’t trade all of them and maybe none of them. However, I don’t think you want players at your club that don’t want to be there no matter how good those players are. I am fascinated how we approach this trade and draft period. It’s so important that we get it right

Thanks guys for fronting up to do the pod after an almost decade worst performance. I would like to get the panel’s take on where they think our list is at and if a mini rebuild is necessary ? I know Binman says we have almost the best list in the competition. 3 years ago I would agree with him. Like many others I think our recruiting and list management decisions have been poor since our premiership win. I see holes everywhere in our list at the moment. Most concerning is no reliable key forwards apart from JVR. No adequate back up for Max. Our midfield is lacking speed , skill and depth. I think there are obvious issues with the game plan as well, but I am very concerned our list going forward and feel we need to make some smart decisions for the future before Tassie come into the comp and get given a lot of first round draft picks like GC and GWS.

Absolutely spot on ! We need to really start turning over the list even if it means going backwards for a season or two. Especially with Tassie coming into the comp shortly , when the draft will be really compromised.