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Especially considering Tracc averaged over 25 disposals in this games.

But the club recognises we are not going anywhere with the 2025 list, and it’s about building for 3-4 years time. Would you prefer Clarry or JV to be setting the standards for Langford, Lindsay, Windsor etc

Where do you rank the 2003 draft. Most of the high picks seemed to be busts. How was it viewed prior to the draft? It just shows how hit and miss drafts are, even for the footy industry. 2014 yielded Tracc, Angus, De Goey, Moore, Heeney, Jake Lever, Touk Miller, Dale, Caleb Daniel, Maynard, Andrew’s, Ed Langdon and a host of others still playing 12 years later. In hindsight probably one of the stronger drafts ever.

At GC Humphrey is in a position like Raynor. He’ll be a forward with low mid minutes. Is he happy to be a role player at GC or does he want to be one of the guys. If we aren’t offering him a midfield role and money we are zero chance. I suspect King can see our midfield being built around Langford and Humphrey for the next 5 years. After all, it’s his third year and if you compare his and Traccs third year (2018) it stacks up extremely well (uncanny similarity). And he’s a year younger.

And I’m not from an Italian family (although my wife is), but even youngest sons wives can clash with mother in laws.

Except that Christian is the youngest in the family.....

Only in the demonland universe where Tracc is apparently a selfish git whose toxic for culture, can’t kick, and will never get back to his best.

I haven’t been on demonland since last night. Last thing I read was posters requesting Andy to remove Clayton Oliver’s name from the thread title. Anything worth reading in the 40 pages I haven’t read yet?

I’m in the minority but I put most of the breakdown on the club and a smaller amount on Tracc. But the club has reset with a new president, ceo, and coach, but the residual player rift created last year hasn’t gone away. The club had massive leadership issues from September 2021 onwards that created a toxic environment. By internally calling them out Tracc seemed to get thrown under the bus by the club and even teammates. Maybe Tracc was over sensitive to how he was treated. But the resulting rift with teammates is too big and it’s best for everyone to move on. Probably the low point last year was the private meeting to sort out issues that was leaked to Sam McLure. That’s probably too big a breach of trust to truly get back to normal. Tracc didn’t leak it. I doubt the culprit from the leadership group owned up but wouldn’t know. https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/petracca-airs-grievances-in-private-meeting-of-dees-leaders-20240828-p5k60z.html I’m sure the players also felt like trust had been broken by Tracc. I mean they were reading in the press that Tracc was telling management he had a problem with them. But that was on management who leaked the private conversations Tracc had with them about issues amoung the playing group. Our window shut this year. It was an unbelievable rebuild by Roos/Goodwin and Jackson. But we are 4-5 years until Langford et al are 24-25 years old and peaking. Kossie will still be 29 and the window maybe reopens then if the club acknowledges where we are at. It’s best the club trade Tracc and get something in return that helps us peak in 4-5 years, not next year. Everything now should be about being a contender in 4-5 years. The new club management seems to be handling it professionally. Some supporters not so much. What happened at Hawthorn with Rioli not attending grand final reunions is sad, and must make those reunions feel really hollow for that club. It will be a sad, sad outcome if Tracc doesn’t come back to the club for premiership reunions. Best we thank him for his unbelievable service, acknowledge the breakdown is irretrievable, and move on. If he doesn’t get traded, just remember Papley wanted out of Sydney but was welcomed back by supporters.

You should really just start calling him the Bont. As to leadership, the dogs lost an absolute gem in Dunkley because of the issues. And I know of a high profile player who was all but signed up with the Dogs until the leadership group took him out. He signed with Hawthorn. Leadership is not sticking around a [censored] culture long term.

You do realise Tracc had to board a flight in Melbourne around 80 minutes before he landed in Adelaide. If the camera crews were at Melbourne airport or if it was 1975 you might wonder but not these days.

Players come and go so they are a small part of it. I blame Judd Mcvee. It’s been all downhill since he got drafted at the end of 2021!

Lamb became list manager in October 2019. A year after the Hogan trade.

Hate to nit pick, but that doesn’t seem right. So I just checked wheeloratings and at least in that site he is 92nd for defenders score involvement’s. Just as well I am on a train with nothing better to do than scroll through 25 pages of players ranked by SIs.

It’s idiotic until we have a generational player coming through father son. I don’t agree with trading for the same pick. It should be points but need at least the same round pick to take someone in the first round, and the low picks are pretty much worthless so they should have almost no points. Ashcroft should have cost at least Brisbanes first (they had pick 14 I think) and points from second round picks and lower picks to move up to pick 2. Fletcher also went first round but lower. If Brisbane wanted him they should have had to have 2 first round picks in that draft. The afl are just useless though.