Smokey

Probably time to move on guys

Often people here bemoan the long term contracts like they are a problem. On the contrary, they give us the upper hand in negotiations if these particular players ever want to leave the club.

Koz will give us years of highlights to get us excited every week. And if he ever wants to go, we’ll demand a kings ransom a la Petracca.

Win/win. Sit back and enjoy it

18 minutes ago, Young Angus said:

Future third rounder plus we pay salary is a disgrace any way you look at it.

This should tell you more about how problematic Clarry actually is rather than the trade being bad

Let’s not all pretend to know what goes on within the 4 walls of the club. Clarry has been a liability on and off the field for years. And we only get to see the public facing stuff, who knows what else is happening behind closed doors.

I back our new executive leadership and coach in.

1 hour ago, BDA said:

no he didn't.

he's been nothing but a big headache for the club for the last 2 and half year's. Why do you think we want to move on from him.

we should have included behavioural clauses in his contract. big learning there for the club.

Behavioral clauses, being subjective in nature, would not only be very hard to quantify in the agreement but even harder to legally test should it come to that

It would be an overstep on behalf of the club IMO

10 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

Food for thought.

It’d be a waste of time, money and effort for BH to meet with any Victorian teams without the suns approval, because if they’re going to hardline no, it doesn’t matter who he’s spoken to.

My guess is the suns recognise he’s the one who could unlock the real, might leave anyway and they might not get another shot at someone like petracca in the short term so they might sacrifice BH

I wouldn’t do it if I was them, but they know him and have all the intel and if he’s really homesick or wanted to leave anyways maybe it works okay

Petracca has been shopping himself round while the club has been saying we want him to stay.

Hardly a waste of time given he’s about to get traded now.

BH no different

1 hour ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Chunk and King should’ve worn wigs

10 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

I shouldn't be on this site at all. It makes me sick in my stomach to think of Clarrie playing against us - and I am CERTAIN that next year (unless the present mess wrecks his mental health and who should blame him if it did?) he will be a champion again - but the thought that we might be PAYING him to do it is beyond my comprehension. Steven King has got a lot of work to do for me to forgive him or back him. He got the job saying that CP5 and Clarrie were in our best team. So much for honesty and transparency.

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On one hand you’re saying King said Trac and Claz were best 22 next year

On the other hand, you’re saying (without any real basis) that king has pushed them out of the club

And because of that he’s not being honest and transparent?

I can’t tell which way you’re going with it because all of those can’t be true at the same time

Just now, DubDee said:

Not much has happened aside from Trac telling us he wants to leave. I would guess King would have wanted to keep him.

Us telling Clarry to explore options

And McVee bailing on us

It's all in the eyes of the beholder.

The idea of Trac, Clarry and May leaving at the same time equals a rebuild to me. Regardless of how we got here.

This is an opportunity to build the list around Langford. Let's do that.

I wanted a full rebuild after this year and it looks like we're getting one.

I wanted us to become a ruthless organization and it looks like we're becoming one.

I wanted the new coach to come in and fundamentally put his mark on what we're looking like moving forward and it looks like that's happening.

Nice!!

29 minutes ago, dimmy said:

I am really confused about how a person can sign a contract for x amount of years for $$$ .

He the wants out , BUT the Club (i.e.MFC in this case) are duty bound to continue to pay that player.

Could someone please explain how we could be paying a "wantouta" or "renegger" his salary and getting nothing back.

What is the point of a legal contract ????

Not sure what you are suggesting here?

If Trac is meeting his obligations under the agreement, i.e. "turn up to training, turn up to gameday, play football" then what does it matter if he "wants out" or not? how are we currently or potentially getting "nothing back" moving forward from trac?

Legal contracts need 3 things - an offer, acceptance and consideration.

The "point" of the legal contract in this case is that we hold the power in this situation. Don't want to trade him? Then we don't. Do want to trade him? Then we ultimately decide what we get in return.

I dislike Trac as much as anyone right now, but don't conflate that with your lack of understanding on how contracts a work.

18 minutes ago, john delosa said:

Finishing 2nd in the B&F is still finishing 2nd — you don’t stumble into that by accident. Even in a rough year, he was one of the few carrying the load while injured. And respect isn’t just about contracts and dollars, it’s about recognising the sacrifices he’s already made — including nearly his life — for the club. If we start treating champions as disposable the moment the narrative turns, that’s when culture really rots.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one mate. Your points are well made

30 minutes ago, john delosa said:

Calling a bloke who almost died wearing our jumper ‘toxic’ is cheap. Easy to sit behind a keyboard and forget he’s carried this side through games where others went missing, and finished 2nd in the B&F only a few weeks ago. If that’s ‘not backing it up,’ then half the comp should be ashamed. Trade him for pennies? That’s how you destroy culture, not save it. Respect goes both ways.

Finishing second in this year’s BnF isn’t the metric you think it is. We were horrible most of the year. Might as well have put on a blindfold and thrown at a dartboard to decide who got awards after Max.

You say respect goes both ways? Well we have shown respect by committing to him long term and setting him up financially for life. What have we got in return? Trac looking to leave the team we have tried to build around him.

I am mostly disappointed by the fact that when the club went off the rails last few seasons, I expected Trac to step up and be the leader we needed to navigate us through that patch. Instead he’s thrown his toys out of the cot.

I completely disagree we mishandled trac’s injury. Players get sent back on the field after heavy hits regularly. It’s unfortunate what happened, but the club didn’t mishandle anything.

We have new leadership across the board and are poised to enter our next chapter. Now is the time I expect our highest paid player to affirm his intentions, address the media speculation and get on with being the leader he needs to be. Instead we have uncertainty still.

If trading Trac for pennies means more salary cap to spend on the guys that wanna be on the bus, then I’m all for it.

The surest way to lose talent and negatively effect culture in any organisation is to excuse and accept the below-standard behaviours of their top performers.

7 minutes ago, rpfc said:

And you don’t need to show respect but your opinion can be called categorically wrong. That is also an opinion.

It all so pathetic how the petulant children on here forget to mention what precipitated the ‘petulant Petracca’…

A near death experience that was poorly handled by our own admission and a stagnant FD that has seen a near total broom being swept through the place with more to come when contracts are up at the end of 2026.

So I don’t really know what the f the Petracca haters are on about tbh. You think it was unfounded? Show me the receipts because everything we have done has vindicated his opinion and his actions to escape - except we pulled the trap door ourselves.

We’ve both arrived at the same destination but took different roads to get there. Yes, we need to trade him.

This is a football club, not a family. I couldn’t care less about past mistakes, players sad feelings when the chips are down or anything other than looking forward and winning games with a team of players that are fully invested.

No one is bigger than the club, near death experience or not.

30 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Ah, but you DO care. You care enough to post about it.

Tracc’s a poor example for our younger players, is he? What makes you think that? I’ve not seen that reported in the media and I’m guessing what’s reported in the media is what forms the basis of your opinion. If not the media, how else did you come to this conclusion (a conclusion which btw is incorrect).

Tracc “held our great club to ransom”? One player with such overwhelming power vs an entire club? And not just held our great club to ransom, but has been doing so for “… the last few years…” An asinine comment to put it mildly.

Keep up the hate for Tracc if that’s your wont, but maybe conjure up some valid reasons for the hate with which to replace the unfounded ones you’re currently going with.

He signed a monster contract and took a kings ransom then proceeded to act like a petulant child by exploring trades. He refuses to address media speculation and clearly isn't committed to the club. As the highest paid player on our list, this is toxic.

You don't need to agree with my opinions, but you don't get to declare them categorically wrong because regardless of how much free time you apparently have to go to training sessions, you're no more inside trac's mind than any of us.

5 hours ago, john delosa said:

No one’s saying it’s Gallipoli, but the bloke still almost lost his life in the jumper. That deserves a bit more credit than a shrug.
Doesn’t matter how it happened — ruptured internal organs and nearly bleeding out isn’t exactly a bruise and a band-aid. Downplaying it is just disrespectful.

All well and good, but I don't really care to be honest. He has become a narcissist and is a very poor example for our younger players. He gets paid too much to hold our great club at ransom the way he has been last few years and he doesn't even back it up with consistent performance on the field.

Trac has become toxic for our culture, [censored] him off for pennies on the dollar for all I care.

1 hour ago, john delosa said:

Funny how only a few of us defend a bloke who literally put his body — almost his life — on the line for this club. You’d think that kind of sacrifice would buy him more respect!

He got hit from behind, spare me. It's not like he jumped on a grenade in the trenches of Gallipoli.

8 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I respect what you're saying, but I can't see how offenders could be dealt with without some form of public explanation. How would it work with the Rankine case? Would the AFL be suspending him for four matches without explaining why? Apart from anything else, it would make it "easier" for the AFL system to be inconsistent in its treatment of offenders. I could see a favoured player or a player from a favoured club getting a fine while a player from a less respected club might get a three-week penalty for the same offence.

Automatic 6-week sanction for "hate speech"

I’ll never understand why these sort of issues (Rankine) need to be dealt with in the public domain. If people are concerned with harm minimisation, then homophobic/other legally protected group slurs should absolutely be handled behind closed doors.

Who benefits from broadcasting the narrow views of one individual in an organisation of largely tolerant and respectful blokes?

Deal with offenders swiftly and harshly without broadcasting to the world which particular group their slur was aimed at. Serves absolutely no purpose doing this except for amplifying the message.

And don’t get me started on the media sensationalising players experiencing mental health difficulties. The way the media has reported on Clarry these last few years has been disgraceful.

1 hour ago, Ghostwriter said:

He wasn’t moved on, he resigned.

In the corporate world, it is very common that organisations will look to move someone on but give them the opportunity to resign first.

We’ll never know.

Few here are clearly tired and emotional. Fair enough.

Bucks has a lot to work with here. We are a few tweaks away from being good again. We’ve seen plenty from the young brigade to leave me hopeful after what was obviously a very frustrating season.

Langdon is going to be a star.

Take cents on the dollar for Petracca and Clarry and just find a way to trade them. Then we can start the mini rebuild.

Petracca should be embarrassed. His disposal is deplorable, he needs to be traded urgently

Uh oh

I think the prospect of a win vs either the hawks or pies will do more for us in terms of galvanising our belief that we are still a half decent list (which may help retain a few players we want to keep that are on the fence about their future with the club) than shifting magnets arbitrarily will do. I don’t see what playing pin the tail on the donkey with the team sheet really does for us with 2 games left against contenders eyeing a flag. Getting flogged by either of these teams due to playing blokes out of their position will only compound any retention issues we may have in the rank and file right now. We have had a shocking year, let’s mot make it worse?

Play our best team in their normal positions and focus on winning one of these next two games please. It’s been a really rough year, as a supporter it would be nice to go out on a high like that.

On 11/08/2025 at 13:43, BScotti said:

In - May, Jeffo

Out - TMac/Petty (dropping either would be harsh - big picture call), Windsor

play Adams and Jeffo for last 2 games. Howes to wing