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There was a moment where he went to ground in defence when they kicked a goal, where I couldn't work out whether he was tripped or if he accidentally showed that he deliberately goes to ground when the ball has gone past and he's been beaten. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt this time.

Rockliff was on the table apparently last year and no one bought. Also a Rumor thread on DL that he was a done deal as a Demon. Now articles all year about his new coach love affair with Fagan, seems utterly pointless to bring up Rockliff again?

Its possible to not take anything for granted AND point out an issue we have. People are either met with 'Too negative!'' or 'Too over-confident!' Whenever a subject is broached on DL

Put another way, we're currently short a big bodied forward without TMAC going forward. Id like to see how we go on Ben Brown and Patton, Hipwood, McCArtin over the next month to reassess how our team defence handles a very tall forward now that they've found more sync.

Our defence was seen as a critical weakness that would prevent us going far in the finals or even making it.... Until Hibberd came in and made an impact and they all started to gel into a well oiled machine.

I still wonder though, What if TMAC is having a honeymoon period, and he actually does get worked out at some point over the next few months or next year and should probably head back to CHB. With TMAC/Lever/Frost/Hibberd/Jetta/Hunt, we've got a very powerful defence. Even with OMAC as depth we can give him a few years to develop with Garland retiring. Prior to the TMAC phenomena, quite a few in here were calling for us to bring in a mid-sized forward like Gunston to support Watts and Hogan or a ruck/fwd. Hopefully Vandenburg is injury free next year and can squeeze back in, and Kent can find his form. Weideman will obviously take until mid to late next year at a minimum before he can hold down CHF/FF. Now the quandary is how long will Weideman take? Can we actually look to the trade period to bring in a marking forward like a Gunston, or a forward/ruck to compete with Pedo at CHF as well as targeting Lever? Our forward line would perhaps benefit from trading in a player that could take the load off Hogan and Watts in the event that TMAC loses form as a forward. Interesting trade period coming up, i think our priorities will depend on how our forward and defence cope over the next few months. Even if Defence is not our immediate priority with the forward line showing weakness, Lever is someone you just have to target. When Opportunity calls etc.

"Harley Balic has been granted a further indefinite leave of absence from the Fremantle Football Club" Kent for Balic now?

One thing i've noticed is that he'll run into an oncoming tackle while holding the ball low in preperation to kick it. He sometimes just runs head on into tackles and doesn't do anything because his body has already made up its mind to go for a kick. His flexibility reminds me of Ben Holland. Like having a giraffe in defence. Needs to be more flexible with his hand eye coordination and get his hands up over his head to brace a tackle and fire off a quick handball.

Smiling and nodding on SEN?

This makes sense. But this trade isn't about getting rid of our surplusses, but matching Adelaides needs. So they'd want a first round pick and a midfielder, or two? ANB? Edit: They'd probably ask for Tyson or Brayshaw if he gets on the park, and our second round pick?

TMac another dominant display forward today, Looks like he could be holding down that spot until the time Wiedeman is ready. Hence the desperate need for Lever and Frost down back. (Omac absolutely lost at sea down back today)

I can see that Lever will shuffle around our defensive priorities, but what about the fact that TMAC has shown in the past month that we don't need a ruck/fwd or CHF as an imediate priority with Weideman 2 years away from being an effective CHF? Maybe LEVER is the insurance on Weidemann for the next 2 years as 1 of TMAC/FROST or OMAC will play forward ? If Weideman (God Forbid) ends up a dud, then we'd have a hole at CHF that would take TMAC away from our defence permanently. Assuming Pederson is 2 years from retirement. So recruiting Lever leaves our defence 1 player too tall, but it also allows our forward line 1 tall swingman forward. I don't have faith in Wiedeman and i dont have faith in recruiting Tippett. So recruit Lever and keep TMAC/PEDO forward. If Garland is depth this year, why can't Frost/Omac be a depth player that waits in the wings for an injury? Hogan,Watts, Pedo forward TMAC,LEVER & OMAC or FROST. Pedo goes down with injury and you move a defender back into the side and push tmac forward. OUr defensive stocks won't remain injury free next year now that this year they've been injury free. It's karma

Id retire in Thailand after 212k a year for 4 years tbqh. Anyway. Topic. Maybe this year has told our coaches that we need insurance on Weidemann and TMAC playing forward has been the godsend that has sured up our chf role in the event that Weeds career is smoked but LEVER is the insurance on Weidemann really, not Frost or Omac. Maybe Frost or Omac will provide us with trade ammunition to bring in another A grade mid if we have a glut of defenders in the future but until then we need to cover CHF. Probably speaks of our lack of faith in bringing in Reid or Tippet

800k a year was 640k before the CBA though. Is it really big overs?

So now we know what it will take. Any takers on spending that much? Additional Q for those in the know, can Melbourne afford to make this kind of offer and also put money aside for our core group of talent?

"Channel 7 have stated that the Bulldogs will offer Jake Lever a $4 million+ deal over 5 years"

I'd also like him to change his boots and wear the longer wet weather screw ins. He looks like he's running on ice sometimes.

We? You should think a little deeper outside the hive-mind. Not all 'Give 110% effort!' and 'never give up' tactics are correct all the time. If you know your limitations, you play smarter and contest in a different way. If there's no way you can run down a player, don't chase (Edit: Sprint) Why bother trying to do something 'symbolic' for the fans appeasement? That's just dumb. Brayshaw will come in and have to learn a similar way of playing differently to the consensus of how you should go about it with his concussion issues, just like Jordan is doing with the adjustments he has to make with his speed limitation and energy output.

I've noticed a lot of demonlanders trash Lewis 'effort' when he 'gives up' chasing. I think he just knows his speed limitation and is conserving energy. It may look ugly, but if it helps him still be running around at the end of the game and not sitting on the bench due to fatigue impacting the clubs rotations, then it's fine.

Motlop had a 44 goal season in 13 and a 36 goal season in 15, in that regard he's a big upgrade on Kent. I think the problem for Geelong was that they've tried to turn him into an outside running midfield and he just is not up to the task, park him in the forward line and I think he could show a fair bit. People took aim at me last year for saying we have a good culture for him in regard to other indigenous players by saying "how is his ethnicity relevant?" Well there could be a sense of kinship there surrounded by a player like Neville Jetta who's a stand up community leader and Garlett playing exceptionally well this year to keep Motlop training hard as his reputation is being lazy even with Selwood and Dangerfield around him. So in that regard, we could perhaps provide something Geelong can't . We also don't make our players drink our captains bathwater.

Let's come back to the present though, would we give up a pick 10-14 at the end of the year for Zak Jones? On current form, would we trade Dom Tyson for Jones? I think most would say yes. Or going back to the draft year, would we take Salem + Jones instead of Salem + Tyson OVER Kelly? Why bring up Tyson? Well I think he's round about the kind of player we'd select with pick 10-14 i think.

http://demonland.com/forums/topic/42163-the-k-tip-thread/?do=findComment&comment=1413390

I have to wonder, if they're trying to off-load Tippett or Reid to keep Zak Jones, then we'd be best not taking the bait (if facebook tippett rumour is true) and instead making a push for Jones and considering Pedo as our full time CHF/ruck chop out for next year and re-assessing the ruck/fwd need in 2018. That gives Sydney not enough time to find a buyer for K-Tip/Reid, and then we can sew the idea more into Jones' head of a move south. When opportunity knocks sums up the Zak Jones idea. So we give up a first round? Wouldn't we trade Dom Tyson (1st Rnd) for Zak Jones right now? I would.

We may as well develop Oscar & Weideman for the same position at CHF or FF if Lever/May, Tmac, Frost are our tall defensive spine going forward, save injury. That way there is insurance on the forward position if one of them doesn't make the grade and another does and insurance on a defensive post. Double insurance if they are both adequate forwards and one of them nets us a trade. If not, then what was the plan for Garland next year? Delist him and give OMAC the Garland role that contends with a new recruit?

Who exactly are the gigantic american basketball defender equivalents that combatted these players and delivered premierships for the Dogs and Hawks over the past few years? I don't recall Franklin, Reid, Tippet, Patton, Lobbe having much influence in last years games against the Dogs? Boyd won the Dogs their premiership playing the Gawn ruck role, not as a forward with long arms. All games are won in the midfield, Getting pro-active would be looking at bringing in a 200+cm forward to add to the dynamic, not throwing a Mason Cox in defence. Max Gawn can drop back in defence as a ruckmen, anything else would sacrifice our speed and agility. I don't see any gigantic defenders running around for Adelaide, GWS, Geelong or the Dogs right now. They do have 196cm defenders though. Maybe we'll have to wait and see how good Joel Smiths leap is in defence and whether we can use him to advantage if we do not land Lever or another.