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Yikes, so many pages? Not sure what I've missed but reading the last few, it doesn't seem much. I think it's pretty simple. We need to trade Hogan. It's about getting the best deal for the club so that we don't get shafted as we always do when guys go out of contract, like Jeff Farmer. Problem is Freo isn't going to offer too much in return. We have to use our head here and know that if Jesse doesn't extend his contract, we're going to get very little this time next year. Best outcome is to trade now. I know it's hard to accept that given how much we love Jesse.

Haha funny how people dissect such things. I'll beat everyone and say one team's average player has to be better than the other teams average player. By logic, if the average player is better than the opposing team's average player, their team wins. If they are the same, it's a draw

Let's hope he can do it twice then. Don't think they've done that.

Anyone know the list of players that have made both All Australian and the under 22 team? It must be a special achievement by our Clarry.

Tmac & Hogan

Think those picks are wrong. It's 36, 43, 54 and 90.

Club stuffed up too many times. Can't change that. Look forward.

No big deal. Think about it.. even if no dee makes the all australian team but we win the flag, I couldn't care less. Think again.. we are in the finals!!!! who cares what Cornes thinks? His team of the week can have 22 port players. I can't wait for Friday week!! Damn AFL had to have a bye...

Not directly the camp but more than 50% of professional sport is mental. Just look at our tennis stars as example, they have been blessed with talent but lack the mental application. Making that 4 foot putt to win a golf major or kicking it through the sticks to win the flag. All about performing under immense pressure. Without pressure, any Joe down the street can do it. The camp may or may not help at all, but I fear the boys don't want to push themselves to the next level.

and still expect the club to send out info on final tickets before the game

Desperate or not, there is no way in hell I'm cheering for the Pies. We either beat Eagles or I rather not make up the 8. If Melbourne can't win, the only small satisfaction is seeing Collingwood lose.

Since finals are out of the question, I say we just try to tank and get draft picks.

We're all in it together. Some hurt more than others. I gave up hope for a premiership when we lost lever (i dont think our backline is good enough without him). I gave up hope for the season and finals after the st kilda loss, yet for some reason the cats loss still stung badly. The way i see it, we're out of the finals race. I told my friends to put money on the dees to miss the 8 at those juicy odds. They were amazed when we were sitting at 4th position but they are not suffering demons supporters. Disappointment isnt in their dna. If we happen to beat the eagles or the giants, i will take it as a bonus. Due to work and family, i dont attend too many games and sadly the ones i've gone to with my kids were all horrible losses: hawks, tigers, pies and now swans. Young daughter would ask why we always leave early so i promised to stay to the end yesterday. My daughter tells me 'daddy our team is useless'. She doesnt understand the pain and i let her sing and dance to the swans song at the end.

What's with the pages and pages of ladder predictions... Never done the ladder predictor ever before but I've got us finishing top after Tigers are upset by Essendon then rest their star players in the last round. Eagles to lose to Port also.

Already made plans to go the snow. No jokes. I wonder if people have made plans for the school holidays in September?

Also mathematically, 13 wins doesn't guarantee finals if results went against our way. We're also vulnerable against Sydney. My Swans mate doesn't make me forget about the loss against Sydney in the 90s when the Swans were on a massive losing streak.

What a brilliant idea! I'm going to do the same. Best insurance policy ever. I can see it now: we miss the finals by less than a kick against GWS but I win $1k. It won't take all the hurt away but at least buys one big bandaid to ease the pain. Long term sufferers should jump on board!

Rubbish. We haven't even beaten a current top 8 side yet. No talk about finals until we make it.

Well done Maxy! Coaches didn't even give Tom Mitchell a vote! Pretty sure the wise umps don't agree.

Defence lost us the game. Usual story. Big forwards must look forward to playing against us. On the other hand, you can see how well they defend against hogan and co

Really frustrating game to watch for me even if we were leading. Not an expert but, you can see that despite all the dominance with clearances and inside 50s, we struggled to have decent shots at goals or kicks to advantage in attack. On the other hand, when port did go forward, they were always dangerous. You can say it's a combination of our forwards like petracca being fumbling or hogan just can stick a mark. But perhaps their defence is just too good compared to ours? Losing lever seems to be like a 4, 5 goal disadvantage. For example, surely he would have been there to help brayshaw at the goal line being outmarked by that power player? Just feel we've gone back to the defensive struggles of last year. Our attacking free flowing game is so beautiful to watch, but we break down against good teams. Umpires didnt help but we're simply not good enough. Not sure how we can fix our problems this year.

I would hold my breath until the Port Adelaide game. You wouldn't want Watts to come back and kick a bag against us would we? Watts has served our club better than most who have been on our list. Agree that the problem is he was pick number 1, rather than 51.

Danger game that a typical cocky Melbourne outfit will fall. I hope not but going to put $10 on the blues :)

With Watts gone, we have a new Messiah!! Two first round picks and big bucks. Hope he delivers more than Jack.

Had to look it up again but I believe Adelaide finished 5th last. After 3 priority picks, this was pick number 8 in the draft. They obtained picks 12 and 28 from West Coast after giving Tyson Stenglein. I was more sad to lose one of my favourites Jeff Farmer when he wanted to go home. We got back pick 17 for that. Shows how fair we are when our players want to move back home. Personally, I don't mind if no deal is reached and Lever goes into the draft - serves them right if they get nothing. At the end of the day, we don't lose anything if they are being pricks.