Previously known as LITD.

I don't understand why they bring up character references and service to the community. Silly me. I thought it was about protecting players heads and necks. What a fool I've been.

Thanks DT. That's a fascinating stat and I'm quite surprised. He has to work extra hard in having to leap to overcome the height disadvantage but he's clearly doing what's expected. That said all that leaping probably wears him out somewhat. I think his ground skills he brings to a ruck duel are top notch. I guess in an ideal world I'd prefer a bigger second ruck for a number of reasons and also let Jvr at a young age focus on being a forward.

Absolutely. Lever did nothing untoward in the slightest. There was no effort on his part to make it worse. If GL believes otherwise, he's a huge goose .

It does have a built in bias towards mids. But I kinda like the fairness aspect about being excluded if suspended.

Living interstate, I've only been able to get to one of these games. If you are umming ( sorry Binners) about going to this game, let me assure you it was one of the best games I have attended. We lost ( Injuries took a toll). Richmond were a dominant side then as well. But it's the pre match stuff that makes it. The ceremony of mobile phones and the last post. It's heart in mouth stuff . It's humbling and pride filling at the same time. It's hairs rising on the back of your neck as well. I guarantee it will fill you with gratitude and patriotism . And I'm pretty sure we will win this. Although despite the tigers form I guess with the crowd and occasion there could be an upset. Nah. Enjoy.

I feel the same but he just doesn't seem as tall as this blokes. Maybe because they have filled out more. I still agree with Bluey that Jvr would be best a chf. Not because of height but more his athleticism.

Don't think he'll grow any taller. He's 21 What he lacks in height ..not that 194 is short...he makes up with his giant leap. One of the best. I would prefer to see him play chf with his athleticism and tank. And despite his leap maybe have someone taller giving Max a chop out. Although Jvrs skills at ground level are pretty good. Time will tell. I get the feeling that at the moment he's trying too hard. His hands are hitting the ball too fast and so he's not holding as many. Needs to just drop his hands at the last second and cushion the impact a little. Once he starts holding them which is mostly technical then he will be a weapon. I really think he's got a huge career ahead of him. And your spot on about loyalty.

He's in a down patch lately. But let's remember he's only been playing for twelve months. But he's certainly shown enough at a young age that he's definitely a keeper. Well done to all. Agree with Bluey that he's probably a chf than a deep fwd. And while having a great leap and doing ok in the ruck, I don't think he's ideal as a second. His competitiveness and energy is top shelf and I expect him to have a long a fruitful career in footy. Still needs to learn a few things but he has all the hallmarks of being a very good footballer. Due to start clucking them all soon and then a nice bag of sausage rolls.

After only five games at senior level, why young Laurie was chosen as a sub in such a huge game against the pies was mystifying. And it's not as if he tore those five games apart either. I was really baffled by Goody call to put him in that final. It would be good to see young Brown get a go but Hunter would be my pick.

Is K.Brown a chance against the Tigers?

I think he will give us more than one and half goals a game. I can see him contributing at least 2. He's a solid mark and very athletic and as a forward provides a great target other than Max and Jvr. 6 to 8 marks would be excellent. He had a shocker against the lions but there is some sordid history there. Plus the whole team was down on form and energy. The guy hardly played last year and has not much of a pre season with injuries carrying into this year. I think if he's injury free we will see why Crows have been offering so much.

What about the dogs?

I think it's hard to fluke those six goal bags . One of which he had last year. He's got the skills....I think he's down on confidence.

Apart from being so knackered, did the club get ahead of itself by celebrating Port and Crows wins too early? They seemed wrapped that they won those two games . It was a surprise to me. But did we let the lid off? Especially before the bye. Or was it just a case of two big games taking their toll. Port was a tough game and Crows gave everything including the proverbial kitchen sink. Against a federal crowd and umpires. Lions had a nice training game against the roos. Food for thought.

The sad fact of AFL success is the element of just sheer bad luck/ good luck. Yea sure one can have great depth to try and counter injury fall out, sometimes it is so significant that it's almost impossible to cover. Last year was a case in point we had so many players especially high grade ones hit with injuries. Especially our fwd line. This year sadly isn't tracking too well either. Starting with Gus out for good, every game we have lost someone due to injury. We have lost Bowey, May, Petty, Oliver, Salo, Spargo and Kozzie from suspension. That's a fair whack so early in the season.

I'm not sure. I think it's reasonable to say the jury is still out on Petty in terms of this offer, for sure Not because of his form but rather his body. He has struggled with injuries at a young football age so it's fair to say until he gets a full season on the park it's hard to gauge his true worth. Also it's not unreasonable to suggest that he may not be as versatile as previously thought. How many games has he played forward? And aside from his great bag of six, how many goals has he kicked. That six bag was an incredible effort but I'd bet after that it's inconclusive to say he's a good forward player as well as defender. Of course it's true to say our fwd line hasn't been settled with the group playing a good deal of games together. He had a stinker last round and while probably our worst player, certainly wasn't alone. All in all, I'd be tempted to keep him. One thing for sure, he has certainly demonstrated at a young age that he is a great quality defender.

I wasn't shocked we lost. I was shocked by how poorly we played. I don't want to take away the Lions effort but we were nowhere near our best and the score flattered us. The more marks, clearances and tackles was telling how bad we were. The Double gather round has clearly taken a big toll. With Salo and Oliver injured we were two men down as well. But it was our fwds that were crushed. Between Fritta, Bbb, Petty and Jvr there was ONE tackle for the whole game. That's a telling stat. Ball came in....ball went out. Not via the umpire. It's hard to explain that metric other than fatigue I think.

I thought they performed pretty well all round.

Wasn't he bog v the dogs? He was good against Hawks But since his hand in the last two has struggled. Maybe killing it was too strong.

Footy momentum is wonderful. 24 hours ago we were one of the four contenders for the flag. Now we are just another club out of eight. It's not panic stations but it's certainly a big shift from where we were. But we've had a tough draw with three interstate games

I'm not sure if we can dismiss this loss on being tired. It looked like many were. My reason is that the backline performed very well in restricting the lions to 80 points. They dominated us everywhere and did kick a big score. Was our backline fatigued. Maybe but it certainly did it's job in some ways I guess we lacked attacking run from defence. But credit to stopping a huge percentage loss.

My impression is sometimes teams get ahead of themselves. We were very happy with our eight points in Adelaide. And rightly so. But perhaps a bit of complacency slipped in. I do recognize we were tired. We looked it.

The fwd line pressure wasn't very strong with one or two tackles from all fwds combined.

The club rolled the dice with Oliver and why wouldn't you. But he's clearly too injured to be playing. I hope the bye will give him time to mend his hand. He was killing it before.

The walk of shame..... My apologies to you good dlanders who I annoyed or upset last night with my negativity I'm sorry. I won't drink and post again. Two week suspension from game day threads. The boys tried but we're too tired I think. Again, I'm sorry.