Jibroni

Just a reminder this is the [censored] the Tribunal just cleared:

Hes been cleared, FMD. I love this club but im done with the game.

At the start of this I liked Woodsy then realised he is no idea. Never trust a first impression.

It is not careless to protect yourself from a hit, it is careless to hurl yourself at a player or a contest in the way Maynard did. That wasn’t really argued which I dont understand.

Very glad Woods asked this question:

Woods: Other options that were available were he could have made a more upright jump … that's an obvious example where you could lessen impact.

I like this Woods guy

Find this statement had to believe:

Maynard: After I smothered the ball, I came and I looked down and I thought 's**t, he's there'. I sort of seized up. Next thing I know he was on the floor and I was just a bit rattled myself.

7 minutes ago, layzie said:

Oh have I got the example for you!

1982 World Cup Germany vs France. Goalkeeper Shumacher comes out and nails French outfield player Patrick Battiston. Battiston was taken away on a stretcher.

Unbelievably there was no foul and the ref called goal kick! These days I'd imagine this would be red card and lengthy suspension..

 

Yeah if a keeper did that today it would be a straight red; I doubt his team would complain too much about it.

Thinking about sports like Rugby I think they have a "duty of care" rule and far greater punishments for player negligence resulting in head contact, its time the AFL did the same.

9 hours ago, Macca said:

The league should have or could have brought in an order off rule decades ago ... even just as a fail-safe method

If the QF had have been a GF, then we'd look back at the result being possibly decided by a violent act.  And that's no way to win or lose a GF

The 1973 GF was arguably decided by 4 blatant, violent acts.  The bloodbath GF in 1945?  There's been plenty of moments for change

The 1989, 1990 & 2000 GF's?

Macca, as a fan of the round ball game what do you think the outcome would be if a goalkeeper did a similar action?

His brother sums is up pretty well:

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

It’s the appeal that will be interesting 

My guess is that he will get 3 weeks and they’ll appeal. 

True and likely to be decided next week.

Will be the most anticipated tribunal hearing in years tomorrow night

43 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

I said immediately after it happened that we have to introduce a red card for acts like this.

If one player is lost for the other team, then it's only fair that the team with the player who commits the red cardable offence be down a player too.

As a fan of soccer I have been saying this for years. They use Red Cards in the Adelaide Football league to stop thug acts and seems to have had a positive effect.

Well done to everyone who brought tickets, the boys will really need it on the weekend.

37 minutes ago, chookrat said:

Jibroni, regardless of the AFL's change in stance re concussion if the Tribunal hands down a suspension that is outside the Laws of the Game and Tribunal Guidelines then Collingwood will win on appeal which is exactly what happened in the Van Rooyen spoil case earlier this season. There is a significant difference to the Van Rooyen case in that in Maynards case the ball was not in dispute and Maynard collected Brayshaw high.

I suspect the AFL will make the case that Maynard's action to leave the ground resulted in a near certainty that Brayshaw would be injured and therefore is not reasonable and amounts to rough conduct. Unless the Tribunal can apply the existing rules any suspension will be overturned on appeal.

That appears to be the problem with the current system, specifically contact to the head. The bump and tackle have all had some consideration in terms of what the AFL wants out of the game and law changes required to do this. Whether the ball was in dispute is key and the options available to Maynard to mitigate injury to Gus and himself; I would expect an independent Tribunal to consider this.

2 minutes ago, layzie said:

I've had enough of these people in the media who think they know what they're talking about.

Its been that way for too long Layzie, hence why I don't listen to them.

35 minutes ago, dice said:

Why is Barrett on nickname terms with Maynard anyway?

 

Barretts view make no sense (unsurprising) as I thought the reason it was referred to the tribunal is to protect the AFL from the emerging exposure to class action claims about concussions. The MRO cannot clear Maynard without having the rationale for doing so by way of an investigation. Hence the Tribunal process should be a form of “independence” which affords protection to the players and the AFL.

In addition, there is also the risk of Insurers requiring compliance with any policy covering player injury claims ensuring insurers will continue to cover the AFL for claims relating to concussions in the future and the AFL need to demonstrate they have adequate systems and procedures in place to protect the welfare of players.

I know there has been a lot of emotion on this and at the end of the day all we want is for Gus to be ok.  As someone who previously worked in the insurance space my sense is that Collingwood will argue this was an unavoidable football accident based upon the current rules about smothers which are allowed and that the action to jump to smother was something a reasonable player would do.  I hope the fact that Maynard acted in a "reckless" manner will also be taken into consideration.

Great career, All Australian, Premiership player and wonderful servant to the club.

Enjoy retirement Hibbo.

11 minutes ago, DubDee said:

what about when we beat the Pies and Brisbane and Swans away.

were they miracles?

In a finals context and with our current forward line yes. We lost to Brisbane up there too.

Were are a dangerous when our game is up and going, but at times we seem a bit mentally meek and happy with the recent flag.

Were gonna need a minor miracle to get past Carlton and Brisbane.

2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I mean you can’t foresee injuries 

True, but when it comes to Port I like to rub it in.

Make an early tactical substitution.

Immediately lose two players to injury, Hinkley masterclass.

Nothing against Cameron but I use to like the Country Road song