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46 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Fantastic effort D, and much appreciated by all of us. Must have taken you months to prepare this thesis! I have absolutely no criticism of your work but I do have a question about the Viney's. You rate Todd at 11 and Jack at 19. Can I ask why you then had Jack as "rover" and Todd on the bench?

I always felt Todd Viney was more of a ruck rover and & Jack given his size is more a rover in traditional sense, although I did wax and wane on Nathan Jones being the rover as well. Ultimately they are all midfielders and to me interchange is the same as starting in the modern era. But I reckon the role of wing has gone up a notch this year with Lingers and Brayshaw with Smith and Hunter the only two ahead of them as tandem.

But they are all not a patch on Robbie!

Dees top 100 of the past 50 years – part 5 (the top 20)

Well my series has finally come to an end and as requested the top 20 are in reverse order, although no prizes for guessing who I chose as No.1 

The series has been somewhat cathartic for me and I have enjoyed all your comments, although in hindsight there have been two criticisms to my order by fellow ageing Demonlanders that I tend to think now have merit. 

The first was by the gent who reckons Graham Osborne (way back at No.81 on my list) was majorly overrated. I did say I was enamoured with his dashes and errant bounces, but having watched a quarter on video from a 1973 game, I now think I might have upgraded him too much. He did play 146 games for us. But Peter Walsh probably deserves his spot.

The other ranking that I’d probably relook at now is former skipper Stan Alves who I had at 25. Maybe he should have slotted in ahead of Steven Stretch at 21. He was runner up in the Brownlow after all. And it was great watching him play in the two grand finals of 1977.

I’m comfortable with how I have ranked the current crop and obviously Kozzy, Jacko, Lingers and others would be there if they’d been around for more than two seasons.

Finally, it was Werridee who wanted his usual team, comprised from this list, so here goes:

B: Johnson Wight J.Stynes (with a few more matches, May will replace Wight the way he’s going and Jimmy could play anywhere in his youth)

HB: B.Lovett Hardeman Yze

C: Flower Wells G.Healy

HF: Petracca Schwarz B.Wilson

F: Farmer Neitz Lyon

Ru: Gawn Oliver J.Viney

Int: Jones, White, T.Viney, Bruce

Sub: Robertson or Jakovich

20 Jeff White 98-08 236 games, 95 goals A Frankston lad, White was the No.1 pick in the 1994 draft and spent three somewhat miserable years learning the ropes with newly-born Fremantle. He could take a hanger back then, but he also would be pushed out of the way and copped a few knocks with facial fractures and a ruptured spleen limiting his game-time. But with Jimmy showing signs of ageing, we decided to make a play for him and won the battle for his services with St Kilda. We had to give up pick 2 to secure him, keeping No.1 for Trapper. White was only 195cm but could leap like Nic Nat and even got a state of origin gig for Victoria against the Allies in 1998. We went from four wins to 16 and a preliminary final under Daniher that year. White, who started the year primarily as a forward (kicked four in our upset win over Port), had taken over from Stynes by the finals, although respect for Jimmy made it a tandem. From then on White was always our main man, he had 47 hitouts against Ryan Turnbull in 2000. He ended his career with 5000 hitouts and only Gawny has gone past him in club history. He was one of our few players in the 2000 Grand Final that could say he beat his opponent and the honours and injuries kept coming. A significant shin injury in 2003 cruelled his season and led to him wearing a shin protector for the remainder of his career and in 2005 he was inadvertently kicked in the face by Steven King in the finals which broke his jaw and required metal plates. But in 2004 he won the Bluey, made the All-Australian side and polled 15 votes in the Brownlow. And in 2005 there was his legendary goal from a free kick against Wade Skipper in the final minute against the Bulldogs that sent us into the finals. The ball sailed through from 50m.  

19 Jack Viney 13- 150 games We’d just come off the tanking inquiry and were about to appoint Mark Neeld as coach when young Jack agreed to be a father/son pick for us in 2011 and I’m sure we have to thank dad Todd for a lot of that. Jack played VFL for us in 2012 and David Wojcinski broke his draw in his first game, but Jack was made of much tougher stuff to be too worried. But had he known back then that we would give up Ollie Wines at the draft for an outside runner, he may have opted out. But thankfully he didn’t and he played one of the most memorable opening games in our 79-point thrashing by Port in 2013, where Neeld’s “we didn’t see that coming” was born. The only thing we didn’t see coming that day was how good Jack was already – he had 22 disposals, including an audacious 30m handball out of trouble on the members wing. He has often been injured, but when he plays he gives us grunt and commitment, clearly FMC was stamped on his papers. He was second in our B&F in 2015, but played enough games in 2016 to join dad Todd on the honor roll. Goody made him joint co-captain in 2017, but the injuries kept coming and a navicular foot issue appeared career threatening. I always felt he had bulked himself up so much in the weightroom that at just 178cm and 87kg, he was just too heavy for his feet. Naim Suleymanoglu was probably lighter, but somehow he managed to get back for the 2018 finals and it was primetime Jack. Boy did he lift for them – even had 11 clearances in our loss to West Coast. He had to wait another three years, lost the captaincy (let’s face it, he is way too much of an individual off-field to inspire a whole side in this PC era), and was courted by Geelong off-season, but by September 2021, he was ready to make a statement. And boy did he do it – have a look at the GF bounce and the legal hit he put on Macrae early. And he kept at it all evening with 12 clearances to be one of our best. We should all be grateful that a lad with white line fever is on our side. 

18 Brett Lovett 86-97 235 games, 48 goals There are not too many defenders up this high, so you can immediately gauge the esteem with which the best mate of Garry Lyon was held. I mean he wasn’t quick, wasn’t a thumping kick, couldn’t leap high. But gees he could play. He’d initially spent three years trying out at Hawthorn, captaining their under-19 side, and probably would have headed back to Inverloch, but then GM Ray Manley gave him a glowing reference and he joined us and played the last eight games on 1986. It wasn’t until towards the end of ‘87 that he became a permanent fixture at half-back and it coincided with our run that should have taken us to glory. He was just so clean with his hands and kicking – one of those players that seemed to make the game slow down as he approached. He was runner up in our B&F in 88 and was three times in the VFL/AFL team of the year, the precursor to All-Australian. His battles with Peter Daicos were legendary and he was made vice-captain in 1990 and thrown into the midfield. He was fourth in the Brownlow that year. He was still mega-effectual up until 1995, snagging three sausages in our semi-final win against the Dogs in 1994. A chronic pelvic injury led him to retire after 1997. 

17 Nathan Jones 06-21 302 games, 141 goals It’s going to be interesting to see how history records Jonesy. Three B&Fs, second most games, skipper for four seasons and club icon during an era when we were so bad, it was embarrassing. Back in 2012 under Neeld, Jones and Wattsy were the two most skilled players at training by a long, long way. Like Alves and Wells, he could have jumped ship, but didn’t and I suspect Roosy’s arrival in 2014 had a fair bit to do with it. Initially though he must have thought he was lucky when we drafted him from the Stingrays with pick No.12 in 2005. He had to wait until Round 17 to debut and was so resolute as a teenager, that he played finals. The problem was that he went another 253 games before playing in another one. It was somewhat prophetic that kicked the sealer in the 2018 elimination final against the Cats because I’ve never been so incensed as I was when Steve Johnson scornfully sent Jonesy’s head into the mud as they clobbered us in 2013 at Kardinia Park. I reckon his best game was when he tagged Marc Murphy in his prime and blitzed him and in 2017, he gave everyone a reminder of his value when he was best on ground in our win in our come-from-behind win in Alice Springs against Gold Coast. By 2018 he wasn’t really needed anymore – his work was done. He did however give us one final BOG cameo with a three-goal game at the SCG against the Swans in 2019. 

16 Jeff Farmer 95-01 118 games, 259 goals It was a stroke of luck that in 1994, Fremantle was blissfully unaware of talents such as Andrew Mcleod and a 16 year old from Tambellup in south-eastern WA called Jeff Farmer. We gave up dour defender Phil Gilbert to secure his services. He kicked a goal with his first kick against Geelong and he infamously handballed to his unsuspecting skipper Garry Lyon in the goalsquare late in one game. He loved to play on at almost every opportunity – often at inappropriate times. But his flair became obvious by mid-1996. He kicked three against the Pies on QB and finished with 37 goals from the pocket, although it took a trip by Lyon and Balme to get him to come back from Mandurah the next off-season. The Whiz was mega popular. He won the mark of year in 1998 against the Tigers for a hanger on Lyon and both he and Neiter kicked six the following week in the qualifying final to defeat Adelaide, who somehow won the flag that year. He was a 174cm magician with 76 goals in 2000 with his nine goal second half against the Pies that QB year stunning. He’d been benched for a goalless first half and only got back on because Ben Beams got injured. The next week he kicked seven against the Hawks and he had a couple of bags of eight, including against the Roos in the preliminary final that year. He kicked three in the granny as well, not bad given he was playing with a broken rib. But his infamy led to off field problems including a couple of serious offences in the off-season in Perth. A hamstring injury cost him seven weeks and by the time he returned, 2001 had bitten the dust for us, although he did snag five in a couple of late wins. We let him go to Freo in 2002 in exchange for pick 17 and in his first match against us he kicked the winner after the siren, as good players so often do.

15 David Schwarz 91-02 173 games, 243 goals If you weren’t alive in 1994 then you were seriously unlucky because that was the year Schwarter went from being a talented young prospect to freakish superstar who could leap for hangers, baulk opponents with blind turns and bump oncoming blokes out of the way. The boy from Sunbury was 195cm and around 95kg in those days and had his career stalled a bit in 93 with an OP groin issue, before being given the keys to the forward line with Garry Lyon. That’s why Neiter had to play CHB. By the end of 94, he’d kicked 60 goals from CHF including nine straight against Sydney, taken us to the prelim final and was regarded as the second best forward in the comp behind Wayne Carey. He even took more marks than him that year. Only Glen Jakovich, then regarded as the games’ best defender, could stop the Ox. Then in a pre-season intra-club game tragedy struck as he did his knee. He was back ready to go 16 weeks after surgery, but the knee went again in round 9. And again in a reserves practice match the following pre-season. By the time he returned again in round 11 of 1997, he was 113kg and still a bullocking forward – but gone was the mobility. He was still game smart and aggressive, but no longer a superstar. He was thrown up as trade bait with Richmond’s Wayne Campbell in 1998 and responded to the slight by winning the B&F in 99. In 2000, he was one of the few who really tried to stand up to Essendon’s thuggery. From then on he seemed to have a mix of off-field issues, with racist allegations, suspensions and gambling addictions among his foibles. But wowee, what a year ’94 was. Better than Jakovich’s 91 I reckon. 

14 Alan Johnson 82-90 135 games, 95 goals He’d been a highly successful player with Perth for several season when we claimed him with first pick in the 1981 two-pick VFL draft at the age of 25. He was just 179cm and 75kg – Taylah Harris is bigger and stronger – but he was mega talented. Quick and a good kick, he spent the first few years on the wing opposite Robbie and won our B&F in 1983, but his slight frame and age leant himself to injuries. He had calf issues in 85, a broken thumb in 86 and in 87 badly tore his hamstring which meant he missed our finals run. With Yeater now a wingman and his hamstring issue fixed, he was sent to the back pocket in 88 and that’s where he became an absolute star at the age of 31 with his ability to read the play and his beautiful long kick launching counter-attacks. He was among our best in the granny, but was even better in 89. Opposition sides started tagging him, that’s how good he was. After starring in our EF win over the Pies in 1989, the Cats absolutely hammered him the next week. He won our B&F again that year and was part of the VFL team of the year. Hammys and calfs became an issue again for him in 1990 and he retired, ending up coaching Old Trinity in 1992.

13 Adem Yze 95-08 271 games, 234 goals OK, quite a few of you have noticed the similarities with Christian Salem and I tend to agree. Both silky left footers, both of south/eastern European descent and both masters of spotting up a target under pressure. I remember Ooze’s first game – he wore the long-sleeved No.44 then and was a late inclusion on a wet day against Richmond and no-one in the members seemed to know who he was. He got a few nice touches that day but struggled to get much game time from Balmey, although he did snag five goals in 96 against Fitzroy in what should have been a breakout game. Ironically it was in our first game under interim coach Greg Hutchison in our horror 97 that we saw just how good he was playing on the wing. He snagged one from 45m from the boundary that night and you could just tell he loved finally getting a good run and a licence to do extraordinary things. For the next decade he was all class in the No.13 racking up 226 consecutive games – he even got his wife to give birth three days before the season so his streak could continue. He won our B&F in 2001 and in 2002 he was in the AA team along with polling 17 votes to finish third in the Brownlow. He could take a nice hanger, but it was his freakish snaps that most of us remember, his five goal QB game against the Pies in 2005 was stunning and he was at it again the following year – he loved that fixture. 

12 Brian Wilson 82-90 154 games, 208 goals Willow! An absolute showman like Nick Kyrgios, he was among the most hated players by opposition fans because of the way he celebrated a goal and his propensity to stage for free kicks by arching his back when touched. He’d already been at Footscray and North, when Barass got him over aged 20 along with Stickey. You have to ask why they let him go, I mean he was third in the Roos B&F in 81, so clearly his style irked a few at those clubs and he was regarded as overweight, so a bit of fat-shaming went on I suspect. But for a club that won just one game in 1981, Willow was a godsend in the middle, averaging 28 disposals. He had 40 touches in a win in the mud at Morrabbin that year. He wasn’t fast, nor was he a long kick, but he was famous for his baulks and liked trying to take a hanger. His massive hips meant he could ride a bump well and he was clever with dishing it off by hand under pressure, a bit like Greg Williams. His lack of pace must have worried our hierarchy a bit, because even early in 1983 we sent him forward on occasions and he kicked seven in round 3 against Sydney. I remember going to Vic Park early in 85 and he was just so elusive as our mock full-forward on a windy day kicking six and almost getting us home in front of a vile crowd. He won our goalkicking with 40 that year but injuries started to curtail him, although watch a replay of our win at Whitten Oval in 1987 and you will see how clever he was as a half-forward. He snagged two goals against the Hawks at Waverley in the prelim but had his collarbone broken – I think Dipper got him as well. He was still a star in 88 and was our only player with more than 20 disposals in the horror GF, but really was more of a cameo man in 89 and 90. He retired but then St Kilda lured him back and sure enough, his only really good game for them was a six-goal matchwinning display against … you guessed it … the Demons. 

11 Todd Viney 87-99 233 games 92 goals Mike Sheahan used to love wheeling out stats that showed how insipid Melbourne were when Todd Viney was out injured or suspended during the 90s. Such was his presence back then that he turned our midfield into a feared unit. He wasn’t a great kick but boy was he tough and he was much needed alongside lighter frames like Greg Healy, Andrew Obst and Stephen Stretch. And being bigger than Jack by a couple of inches, he could do even more damage. He was already a big bodied mid at Sturt when we got him across as part of the “last chance for Robbie’ campaign and even though he missed nine games with injury in 87, we made him vice-captain as a 21-year-old in 1988. But like Jack, he started mounting up the injuries with knee and back issues. He played enough in 93 to win our B&F and was a force in 94. He did try his hand at tennis fitness coaching with Mark Philippoussis in 96 (he was a very talented junior player) but soon realised he loved playing footy. The Dees made him captain in ’98 and he claimed his second B&F that year and first All-Australian. He wasn’t a big goalscorer, three against the Tigers in 99 was a career-high, but he was always big on clearance numbers and tackles – like son, like father you may say.  

10 Gary Hardeman 67-77, 81 – 219 games Gary was just inspiring in the early 70s whether playing for us or Victoria as he did 11 times. As a centre-half back he had a good leap and strong hands and he had great pace, although he was a bit of a wonky old kick at times. What’s harder to believe these days is that he was just 187cm – I mean 6ft2in and playing on all the big forwards in those days. I was also shocked to see that his main rival as the best CHB in the comp back then – Peter Knights – was only 188cm. Midfielders now. Hardeman played in our 1971 night grand final win under lights at Lakeside Oval which was his only team glory. He was third in the 1972 Brownlow count and second in 1974 with 23 votes behind Keith Greig. In 1977 he tied for eighth, so the umps definitely loved him, even more than our club it seems. He’d worked originally as a taxi driver, but clearly wasn’t paid enough by us as he left in his prime to play with Sturt in 1978, after mooting the move a couple of years earlier. Or maybe it was because we had never given him a B&F which is extraordinary given how well he polled and how regularly he had more than 20 disposals as a defender. He even ventured forward a bit in 1975 and kicked 5.6 in a win over the Dons at the MCG. He made a bit of a mistake returning to play under Barass in 1981 and struggled to have an infuence. But his earlier value was recognised when he was named CHB in our team of the century. 

9 Gerard Healy 79-85 130 games, 189 goals And the winner of the 1985 best and fairest is Danny Hughes! If you thought Raelene Boyle was unjustly robbed by Renate Stecher of an Olympics gold medal in 1972, then this is almost on a par. Healy had become our most reliable midfielder (Robbie was often injured) and had blossomed from a teenage wingman to being a clever goal sneak next to Mark Jackson to being a complete infielder with a mix of hard work and evasiveness in tight. He was a pretty precise kick as well. He went on to win the 88 Brownlow and it’s fair to say that he had even better years for Sydney than for us, but in 1985 when the club got wind of his impending move to the Geoffrey Edelsten-financially cashed up Swans, they decided to alter history a bit - Healy had won our B&F in 84 after all. I reckon Healy’s best game was at Princes Park in 84 when we beat the premiers Hawthorn and looked finals bound under Barass, only for it to become a false dawn. He had the ball on a string with 30 touches quite a few times in 85, but that was forgotten once the Sydney whisper got out.  

8 Greg Wells 69-80 224 games, 251 goals Wellsy played the middle of the park back in the day when Barry Price and Ian Stewart ruled and when the centreman role usually came with a liberal dose of mud on your face or a sticky cricket wicket ruining your boots. Our No.11 was a beautiful mark for his size, especially given he was only 175cm - Charlie Spargo is nearly that tall. He didn’t take hangers, his penchant was more taking one-handers or sliding through the mud for a chesty. He also had a knack for drifting forward and snagging a goal - he kicked five in a game a couple of times and 34 for the year in 1972 - he was second in the Brownlow to Len Thompson that year. He was so incensed with the sacking of Ian Ridley as coach in 1973 that he trained at Subiaco and considered a move, while in 1975 Carlton offered up a bevy of players to snare him. But being a Demon fan and from our bayside recruiting zone like Gerard Healy, he stayed put. He was made captain when Stan Alves left and won a couple of Bluey’s, plus he was a regular for Victoria. I don’t recall too much animosity to him moving to Carlton mid-season in 1980 (after a frustrating decade with us he wanted to play finals). His final game for us was Round 13, 1980 and he amassed a club record 48 disposals against Fitzroy that day before his move to the Blues. I was rapt when he won the flag with them in 81. 

7 Jim Stynes 87-98 264 games, 130 goals It’s hard not to remember Jimmy as our selfless president who died at 45, still trying to save us from an embarrassing era. But as a player big Jim was a running machine and infamously took on Olympic marathoner Steve Moneghetti up one hill at a Ballarat pre-season training camp. As a youngster he emerged from a stint at VFA club Prahran in time for our 87 finals campaign and he was pretty handy, although invariably then he’d play CHF or CHB and back up Strawb O’Dwyer, who was a superior tapman. He copped heaps for the 15m penalty that put Gary Buckenara within goalscoring distance for the matchwinner in the 87 preliminary final, but Jim’s mobility and marking prowess made him a much-lauded player of the ilk of Brodie Grundy today. And back then ruckmen could win the Brownlow which he did in 1991. Hard to believe that he hadn’t stepped foot in Australia until he was 18 when he responded to an advert in his local Dublin newspaper. That he went on to play 244 consecutive games (and 264 all up) with multiple injuries is the stuff of a movie script. Great man. 

6 Clayton Oliver 16- 124 games I remember watching an intraclub pre-season game at Casey in 2016 and Roosy and Goody just couldn’t stop smiling every time Olly went near it. Here was this 18-year-old kid winning almost every clearance and dishing it off quickly by hand and his first game of “see ball, win ball” in the guts against GWS was a cracker – he polled votes in the Brownlow. But after two best and fairests and his first AA, the Olly rise hit a snag in 2020 and it’s been well-documented by me and others that he had to stop playing 'hot potato’ and start using his pace to take the game on offensively by hand or foot. I reckon Goody and Ben Matthews took him aside and just pointed out what was going wrong after his handball back to Joel Smith in the goalsquare against Richmond cost a goal. But to his credit he started working on taking full responsibility by foot and it was lovely to watch him destroy teams in 2021 with his trusty sidekick Trac – even the goals are starting to come. His game against Brisbane in the qualifying final was unbelievable and his third B&F and second AA so deserving. I still reckon there’s heaps more upside with Olly and we are only just starting to see what he can do, but if he sticks at working his butt off, he may just become our greatest ever - surpassing Robbie and even Barassi. I mean he’s only 24 and dodgy shoulders appear his only limitation. 

5 Christian Petracca 15- 127 games It wasn’t until 2020 that Trac really arrived as a star of the comp. Up until then he’d had his rookie season destroyed by a full knee reconstruction op and then been forced to do time as a mid-sized power forward. When we won and he played well like he did against Essendon (four goals) and Collingwood (three in QB 2017) then he was the man. But back then he seemed to be patted on the back too much and the following week he’d be barely sighted. He was outstanding in our pre-season AFLX flag of 2018 as our ruckman, but still prone to missing set-shot sitters. Early in 2019 quite a few friends would come up to me and tell me that Trac wouldn’t make it and the Dees should trade him, but you could tell in the second half of that horrific year that he was working his butt off and the wheel was turning. The decision to send him into the middle in 2020, at the expense of Angus, was huge and made easy for Goody by the fact that he’d bob up everywhere and his core strength ability to wriggle out of anything led to comparisons with Dusty. He didn’t even need the fend off, he was that strong. He also had even more confidence when sent forward, how about that snapped goal with two Saints hanging off him that won us the match against St Kilda in 2020. His first B&F came and then last year he seemed more intent on making sure he played well in big games – he was huge against Geelong, won the Anzac Medal, and went to another level against Port in Adelaide. Come the granny, you sort of sensed that with Olly our best in the first final and Gawny the man against the Cats, there was only one way for the season to finish – with a Trac special. A magic first goal of the game off a step from 50m, followed by wizardry on the run from the Brownlow in the third quarter. As with Olly, only longevity in the game stops him from being ranked higher in the Melbourne pantheon at this point. 

4 David Neitz 93-08 306 games, 631 goals For a long time every second story on David Neitz debated whether he should be playing as a defender. Yes he was very good back there in 1994 and for about half of 1995 and he did have one memorable day when he blitzed Wayne Carey, but Neiter never really had the lateral mobility to be a star back there. He was a beautiful mark and lead - not pack screamers like Howey but strong ‘hands out in front’ stuff. He was also a thumping set-shot kick nailing them from 50m at will. He won the Coleman Medal in 2002 and got an AA guernsey that year and he holds just about every record at Melbourne, most games, most goals, longest stint as skipper and the Reverend was his biggest fan, especially after his shirtfront on Hawthorn’s Luke McCabe in Rd 1 of 2002, which came at a time when a few had questioned his leadership after our 2001 fadeout. He kicked nine against the Blues that year on his way to 82 for the season and also slammed home nine against the Tigers in 2004, but double figures somehow eluded him. He was also a handy post-game drinker, which is why his choice of career after footy as a craft beer manufacturer was inspired. 

3 Max Gawn 10- 159 games Maxy joined Gaz as our leader in All-Australian selections with five this year, but the entire population gained an awareness of his value to the side in round 23 when he went forward and nailed our most important kick since Neil Crompton’s 1964 effort. That was followed by his freak show highlights in the preliminary final. He only needs one more AA to match Simon Madden and Dean Cox and provided he doesn’t get a sore back changing nappies this year, he will join them and increase his claim to being the best ruckman of all time. He is such a fit bloke these days that injury permitting he could probably play another five years. That didn’t seem likely when we drafted him with pick No.34 in 2009 and he rocked up at training after a few gaspers on the way there. Like Trac, he missed most of his rookie season recovering knee surgery, and we were so bad in 2011 that he just had to get a game. His debut against the Essendon was a win thanks to Brad Green and Liam Jurrah, but he lasted just three games before being omitted and another knee injury in 2012, meant that his rise was a slow burn – if not for striking up a mateship with Trenners and others he may well have been cast aside. By 2014 there were good signs, setting a record 80 hitouts against Bendigo for Casey in the VFL and I think we all remember watching that match down at Geelong in 2015 when he had 44 hitouts, took some amazing pack marks  and even laid five tackles. Roosy challenged him pre-season of 2016 and it only got better for him, his clash with Todd Goldstein down in Tassie is one of my best memories – 63 taps and two goals and you could just sense how shattered he was when Goldy was gifted a couple of free kicks and finished with five goals and the three Charlie votes. Sure Gawny’s a knockabout, but he’s also quite possibly also our best off-field leader ever – we all have heard what an inspiration Ron Barassi was on the field, but in this day LGBTQI age to unite a team like he has done, has been nothing short of special. He’d probably tell you that only a Kiwi could do it.  

2 Garry Lyon 86-99 226 games 426 goals The skilfull kid from Kyabram snagged the sealer against Richmond on debut and kicked 26 goals in 20 games including seven at the MCG in a close win against the Cats that year.  He was only 19 when he was stretchered off with a broken leg in round 22 against the Dogs in 1987 and a pretty strong case could be made that his absence ultimately cost us the flag that year. Lyon was worth every cent as a youngster. John Northey, who Lyon co-owned Richmond’s London Tavern back then, used to send him down back to save games late and invariably he’d come up trumps. That’s why in state games they’d play him in defence because they had an array of riches up forward anyway back then. In 1988 as a 20yo he was best on ground as a ruck rover/forward against Carlton in the prelim, but unfortunately I don’t think Gaz would watch the 88 grand final replay much - god knows how Scott Maginness kept him quiet, although you can still see Garry’s class with his two goals. But Lyon was a big game player - he kicked a lazy 10 in the 94 semi-final against the Bulldogs for instance. It’s just that he kept having back-related hamstring issues which invariably coincided with September. I remember his teammates turing around to watch him walk off the Junction Oval after reaggravating him his hammy injury on the eve of the 89 finals and you knew our hopes that year were over. Earlier that year he took on Gary Ablett Snr and while the Cats were too good for us that day, I reckon our Garry was winning his battle until just before half time when a frustrated Yaaablett decided to forsake his commitment to God and wiped Lyon out with a severe blow to the head. Garry (two Rs) was also a super leader and there was no more exciting time than in 94 when he, David Schwarz and Sean Charles turned us into a human highlights reel with Lyon kicking 79 goals that year. As a 30yo, he did manage to get his body to hold up for our 1998 revival under Daniher and he was just such a smart player, blocking for teammates and calmly turning out of trouble when needed. He was in the VFL team of the year twice and added three AA teams from 93-95 and he was the only Dee, until this year I suspect, to make the top five of Mike Sheahan’s top 50 (now Robbo’s top 50). That’s why he was named on a flank in our Team of the Century and why I have no qualms about listing him at No.2. 

1 Robbie Flower 73-87 272 games, 315 goals For the best part of 15 years there was one annual highlight for Dees fans and that was watching Robbie play for Victoria in state games. It was only then you got to fully appreciate the majesty of the lad who was laughed at when he wore spectacles to training in the fourths after coming from Murrumbeena. Ron Barassi sent him to full-back to play on Malcolm Blight one day and our own whacko Jacko tried to deck him at training, but Tulip won everyone’s respect by his deeds on the field. He was a brilliant mark, could evade almost anything (sadly not Dipper’s shoulder in the ’87 preliminary though) and if you ever watch highlights of his games, you can quickly appreciate just how good he was, how fluent and natural a mover he was as he charged down his wing and how amazing his aerial work was – Fritter’s the only player I’ve seen arch his back so well in the air. Some reckon Keith Greig (two Brownlows) or the courageous Francis Bourke or Doug Hawkins were better wingmen, but I’d take Flower any day and he’d be just as damaging if he was playing today, although he’d need someone to point him in the direction of the weight room. I remember a story that his only weight training was done squeezing a squash ball (he worked at Thorold Merrett’s sports store) in the car to training. He should have won the best first year player – Big Carl wouldn’t play him until Rd 10 so Richmond’s Robert Lamb got the nod. He also should have won a Brownlow. He was third in 1979 and again in 1984 and overall his tally of 150 votes is the most by any Dee. And he missed 52 games with a variety of injuries, the most prophetic one being a broken finger that cost him a spot in our 1987 night premiership side.

Part 4: Dees top 100 of the past 50 years 21-40

In my second part of the series, I made the point that while we struggled to produce flags, we have been the home of quality ruckman. The following list makes it clear that we also have been a great nursery for wingmen.

Based on Ed Langdon’s and Angus’ effort last season, the gut-running role is now regaining the status it once had, even if the All-Australian selectors keep overlooking true wings for midfielder masters.

But how can four outside runners – Stretcher, Stinga, Stanley and Trappa - make our top 30 and there’s still two more to come next week?

As we near the finish, the quality of the players on the list continues to rise and in one sense that makes it easy to rank players.

But one player many of you will query is Allen Jakovich. Let us know what you think. 

21 Steven Stretch 86-93 164 games, 71 goals Ok, so we all have heard about how he almost jumped the fence to avoid a Dipper tackle in the 1988 grand final. But don’t let that fool you, Billy’s dad was a ripping talent and one of the key reasons why we had success under Northey. Drafted as a 22-year-old from West Torrens, he arrived in 1986 and immediately gave us outside dash and run in a manner that Ed Langdon has in the past two seasons. He was good in the air and a long drop punt kick to boot – a bit of a Craig Bradley type. He won our B&F in 1987 and had been in our best against Dipper and Pritchard in our win against the Hawks early in 88, but come grand final, Swooper got panicky about Dunstall on Danny Hughes and with Strawb suspended, sent Stretch to full-back. To this day I have no idea why you’d want to mess with a winning line-up. He played five more seasons for us and was always prolific, even when playing off half-back on occasions and then with his numbers and influence falling, he was traded to Fitzroy. 

22 Cameron Bruce 00-10 224 games, 210 goals I still wonder what he might have been had we spotted him a bit earlier than we did as a 19-year-old playing amateurs with Melbourne High Old Boys. I mean he just had this elegant way of turning and baulking out of traffic. He kicked a goal with his first kick in Rd 1 of 2000 and only an injury in our preliminary final cost him a spot in our grand final line up. He had an amazing tank, which is why the Reverend often employed him as a “gentlemen’s’ tagger, but by 2005 he was just so hot as an onballer that he had eight Brownlow votes in the first three rounds, before Brent Guerra injured him in a tackle. Built a bit like Robbie Flower, he just oozed class and was at his best in our 2006 elimination final win against St Kilda. He won our B&F in 2008, but by 2010, things at the Dees had got messy and even though he was then our highest-paid player, he opted to transfer to the Hawks, where he was plagued with soft-tissue injuries.

23 Russell Robertson 97-09 228 games, 428 goals It’s hard to believe that a video of him taking hanger for Burnie that appeared on the Footy Show led to Robbo being drafted in 1996. A dismal finish to 97 saw Robbo gifted the last three games that year and he showed a penchant for kicking goals, even back then as a half-forward. In ensuing years, “Robbo, keep your feet” became Daniher’s catchcry as he flew for everything before invariably falling to the ground, but by 2000 he’d become indispensable snagging 44 goals playing third fiddle to Neiter and Schwarter. He won our B&F in 2003 and kept getting better at his craft and if you want to see him at his finest, watch a replay of how he almost single-handedly took down Geelong at Kardinia Park with seven goals in 2005. He kicked 73 goals for us that year. By 2008 his body started breaking down a bit with his achilles tendon snapping and he retired in 2009 with a Rd 21 cameo five goals against Carlton. 

24 Brad Green 00-12 254 games, 350 goals A Launceston boy who oozed sporting talent being a member of Australia’s under-15 cricket team and trialling with Manchester United as a 15 year old. But after a couple of years with the Tassie Mariners, footy took priority and we took the brash youngster with pick 19 and it paid immediate dividends with his awareness around goal in the 2000 qualifying final leading us to an upset of Carlton. Such was his rising celebrity, that Sheeds sent Dean Wallis to brutally wipe him out in the first minute of the granny. He loved goals, especially ones soccered off the ground and he was a beautiful left-foot kick. Daniher sent him to the wing in 2006 in order to get him more in the play, but he probably was a yard short of pace to really make it there and at 182cm, not tall enough to play a key post, although he did a pretty good job of it in 2010 when he converted 55 goals mainly from full-forward in a Bayley Fritsch style role. He won our B&F that year, narrowly missing an AA spot. He was made captain in 2011 and then somewhat rudely cast aside by Mark Neeld for the role the following year. Maybe it was the way he celebrated, but he always seemed to have a smile on his face.

25 Stan Alves 65-76 226 games 174 goals He was skipper for four years from 73-76 and won two B&F in that time and was part of the most amazing centreline of all time – Alves, Wells and Flower – I only caught the tailend of Clay, Barrot and Bourke and our guys were more skillful. Stan’s 1975 was amazing, he even kicked five against the Tigers one game and finished runner-up to Gary Dempsey by one vote in the Brownlow, although he didn’t win our B&F that year. The problem was that the rest of our side was flawed at that stage and he ended up realising that at 30, if he didn’t jump ship to the Roos for 1977, then a flag wasn’t going to be on his resume and starting in 1965, he’d just missed our golden era. He was ahead of his time when it came to fitness and his battles with the likes of Schimma, Keith Greig and Ricky Barham were invigorating back then. 

26 Allen Jakovich 91-94 47 games, 201 goals Ok, so I’m sure Gen Ys and X’s will be saying how can you rate a player with just 47 games so highly. But Jako was special. He was our version of Phil Carman, except that it took Swooper nine weeks to realise it. Jako was the older, smaller brother of Glen, and after two stunning seasons at Woodville in the SANFL kicking 101 goals in 1990, the 23-year-old played round 1 of 1991 for us against a niggardly, nasty Eagles side under Mick Malthouse that won their first 12 games. We only kicked two goals in Subiaco that day, and Jako was sent to the reserves where his freak show at the lower level began. His second game in Adelaide came in Rd 10 and it wasn’t much better so back he went to the magoos. But after 60 goals in 10 games back there, he was promoted for a third time and was handy against the Hawks and then the show began with successive hauls of 8,6,6,8,7 and 11 against the Roos that included a scissor kick goal and one from the boundary and a fine for backchatting from the umps. Like Willow, he had bigger than normal hips and that meant that even at 193cm he could outbody opponents and he could turn on to either foot and kick 50m on the run. He ended up with 71 goals from just 14 games in 1991 including eight in our elimination final win against Essendon, but from then on he had the odd issue with injuries, the occasional suspension from umpires and even a few dressing downs from Northey who clearly felt he was way too selfish for his liking. His final game in 1994 was an eight-goal effort against the Hawks in Rd 17, but injuries meant he missed the finals that year and we didn’t renew his contract so he took his show off to Footscray, which only lasted seven more games.

27 Travis Johnstone 98-07 160 games, 111 goals The grandson of Lions great Norm Johnstone lived in Chelsea and was taken with pick No.1 in 1997 and clearly could play – he had amazing vision and could hit targets with such ease. But he wasn’t noted for training his heart out and while part of that could be attributed to groin and hamstring injuries, it’s probably more true that Trappa never really had the work ethic because he was naturally so good and depending on your rumour file, liked a bit of the green stuff. He played in our 2000 GF but it was his four-goal final in 2002 against Adelaide that was truly memorable – what a precocious talent. It wasn’t until 2005 that he really put a good season together for the Reverend and won the Bluey Truscott, but in 2006 he was back to his lazy, laconic ways. Our demise in 2007 led to him being traded, heading to Brisbane to get his Lions jumper. His final game for us was against Carlton in the Kreuzer Cup and he compiled 42 disposals, so you can imagine what he could have been had he embraced hard work. 

28 Sean Wight 85-95 150 games He arrived at the club in 1984 as part of Barry Richardson and Barassi’s Irish experiment and did a year playing with such talents as John Fidge in our Under 19s. He got a handful of games in 1985 and 86 and to much laughter from fans, kicked three goals against the reigning premier Bombers at Windy Hill in his first year. But a knee injury and his somewhat weird manner of tapping the ball backwards in the air, meant that it wasn’t until 1987 that Northey put faith in his dash and played him down back. He was unbelievable in our win against Footscray that year and a cult hero throughout that finals campaign. He was toyed with as a forward in 88 and kicked four goals in our prelim win over the Blues, but when fit he became our pack-crashing full-back from 1991. In 94 he enjoyed a memorable victory at the MCG over Gary Ablett keeping him to six touches. Payback from Gazza came later that year with 10 down at Kardinia Park.

29 Stephen Tingay 89-00 162 games, 84 goals I am not sure Melbourne initially thought Stinga was that good. Firstly after drafting him from Shepparton with pick 50 they made him play a season with our under-19s and then gave him No.52. He came off the bench in Rd 1 of 89 and had just one kick – but it was the matchwinner against Fitzroy so he knew how to get attention. Later he expanded things to a weight-room induced six-pack and peroxide locks and a bit of nude modelling – hate to think what he’d have done nowadays with Instagram and TikTok. By 1990, he’d became a very confident, dashing wingman who loved taking a bounce and thumping the ball into our forward 50. He played a starring role in our Rd22 win over the Hawks. His battles with Collingwood’s Darren Millane back then were pretty special, and off-season he suffered similar adversity falling through a plate glass window and severing tendons in his right wrist that almost ended his career. It wasn’t until 1994 that he really came of age, wearing Robbie’s No.2 and making the All-Australian side and finishing behind only Garry Lyon in the Bluey. Freo tried to steal him and he often hit the news for the wrong reasons. A lingering hip/buttock problem from his window accident seemed to limit his involvement, although he was a key member of our 98 finals campaign under the Reverend. Injuries cost him in 2000 and it’s fair to say he didn’t quite achieve what he could have.

30 Shane Woewodin 97-02 138 games Ok, so let’s get one thing straight. Woey had an outstanding 2000 and it wasn’t just because he’d started dying his hair. He’d been diligently building his game since being taken pre-season as a dour defender from East Fremantle. He played every game that year and in our bounce back 1998 and was one of our best in our loss to the Roos in the prelim. In ’99 when thing went awry, Daniher threw him into the middle for the last few games and realised he had something and a star of the new millennium was born. If you happened to be at the MCG in our come from behind win over the Cats in 2000, you would have probably backed him for the Charlie. He had 35 disposals and kicked four goals as he became an elite member of our running brigade with his ability to baulk on to his left. He probably hadn’t slept for five days come the granny given the number of interviews he did post Brownlow night, so 19 disposals against the Dons wasn’t that bad really. I think his numbers plummeted like the Twin Towers in 2001 and I still recall him going back with the flight in our QB Pies clash and getting crunched on the wing by a pack that included Sav. Like many I was shocked when we traded him to the Pies at the end of 2002 as the club tried to squeeze out of its contract with him – it put me off drinking my Woey Brownlow port bottle for some time.

31 Aaron Davey 04-13 178 games, 174 goals Everyone loved Aaron from the moment we were able to snaffle him via the rookie draft. He’d come from Darwin and North Melbourne had got him to play a season at Port Melbourne just to be sure, but on the back of a shocking season we had pick 3, well before North’s pick 7. The Reverend knew straight away he was on a winner promoting him for round 1 against the Dawks. Nicknamed the Flash (the Whiz was already taken), he was just so lively from the outset bouncing this way and that way and then turning on to his left foot and snagging the goal of the week. But it was his amazing chase down tackles on unsuspecting defenders that rejigged coaching methods and forced all clubs to search for similar prototypes. He probably should have won the Rising Star in 2004, but he did win our B&F in 2009 when Bailey sent him down back, possibly to reduce his susceptibility to hamstring strains.

32 Laurie Fowler 75-81 140 games A tough, old school defender, Fowler achieved infamy in four years at Richmond by knocking out Carlton ruckman John Nicholls soon after the bounce of the 1973 grand final, but he was left out of the Tigers 1974 grand final side and casted off to Melbourne, where he became a fixture in the back pocket and even had the odd game as ruck rover kicking three goals in a gritty win over the Saints in 1976 and  winning our B&F in 1979 and 80, ahead of a cast that included Robbie Flower and Greg Wells. He played for Victoria a couple of times as well. His career-high 29 kicks came against the Tigers in 1977 and the umps loved the way he put his body (and head) on the line, giving him more free kicks than Joel Selwood. By the end of 1981, he surprisingly left to go to the VFA – not sure if his departure was ever fully explained but Barassi’s style did have its detractors.

33 Jake Lever 18- 61 games It’s rumoured that he would have been taken by us with Angus in 2014 if not for the Saints decision to opt for McCartin ahead of Petracca. And it’s not his fault that he proved a costly recruit when we had to give up two first-rounders for the Adelaide grand final youngster. Our footy department was obviously always keen on the Romsey lad so picking up a then 21-year-old with a moustache was no big deal. He was coming off a great season with the Crows and he was useful in the 2017 grand final against the Tigers, even though his defection meant he was spitefully told to skip their B&F count. Initially a lot of us wanted him to be the tall key defender that May currently is but he’s not that sort of player – he just reads the game so well and is the master of the intercept mark having amazing aerial judgment on top of being courageous. He was a big part in us making the 2018 finals but when he went down with knee issues against the Dogs, it probably cost him two years as it wasn’t until 2020 that he started looking super confident, baulking when needed and directing traffic. He didn’t miss a game in 2021, won an All-Australian spot, and set an AFL record for most intercepts. He’s 33 here, but two more seasons like he’s just had and he’s top 10 all-time material.

34 Steven Febey 87-01 258 games 40 goals One of only nine Dees to play more than 250 games, I used to wonder if Febes could have made the Australian Olympic team as a middle-distance runner. The boy from Devonport came via the No.3 pick in the first official draft and played in two grand finals – 1988 and 2000, although I’m not sure he’ll care to remember too much about them. But as a half-back he was incredibly reliable – always getting back to help – he and twin brother Matthew once combined for 74 disposals against Brisbane in 1994 and yes, they did look for each other as all twins do. Post career hasn’t been easy on Febey, he was caught up in the aftermath of the Bail bombings with Steven Armstrong and has had to battle depression but it was nice to see him back cheering on the lads in 2021. 

35 Christian Salem 14- 130 games He started out as a small forward and memorably kicked the matchwinner after the siren against Essendon in his first season but with his ability to quickly put the ball so precisely on his left foot, there was only one spot for him as our defensive safety net. He had a couple of years being taught the tricks by Jordy Lewis, but what he worked on more than anything is his one-on-one defence – he’s now more than capable of shutting down his man as well and let’s face it, most of the time he’s up against a taller, quicker opponent – yet he reads it so well and that’s why Salo can’t be exploited going the other way, unlike fellow quarter-back Daniel Rich who often is at Brisbane. He had a career-high 39 disposals against Richmond this year and snagged an early goal against the flow, so as good as Trac was that evening, I think the wrong “Christian” got the Anzac medal.    

36 Bayley Fritsch 18- 85 games 118 goals – 59 in 2021 It’s going to be hard now separating the true Bayley Fritsch and the one who kicked six goals in our epic grand final win. He kicked 59 goals for the year, only Tom Hawkins kicked more for the year. And he lifted for the finals, kicking four including a memorable mark and conversion in our win over the Lions. Only six years earlier he was playing at Coldstream and looked likely to follow in his father’s 360-game footsteps at the Eastern Footy League club. After missing out on the draft, thankfully he decided to try his luck at Casey and the Dees realised the lovely left-footer had a fair bit of talent and flair. But with no early picks and his reputation growing after 42 goals in the Frosty Miller VFL medal, we had to offload Jack Watts for a second-rounder and It’s fair to say it paid off big time. Fritta wears No.31, Ron Barassi’s famous guernsey that appeared jinxed until he was given it. Remember Tom Scully among many abject failures. 

37 James McDonald 97-10 251 games It’s hard to downplay a 251 gamer who became skipper at an incredibly unstable time, but here goes - Junior was never a star of our club. But he was incredibly loyal and hardworking and that’s why he featured in the guts for almost all of his games, the exception being his first three years when he came off the rookie list and was plonked on a flank and told to give the Wiz some room to move. As with brother Anthony, he had to travel a hard road to AFL via Old Xavs, but once he got his tank up to speed he became very useful as a tagger and in 2000 became a regular, even starring against the Swans before a knee injury cost him a spot in the finals – would he have done a better job on James Hird than Brent Grgic … rhetorical question. He set a then AFL record for tackles (143) in 2006 and claimed the first of two Bluey Truscott Medals. He was also All-Australian that year and averaged 23 touches so he was no hack. But such was his work ethic that he was captaincy material, taking over from David Neitz in 2008. He was pushed out of the club at the end of 2010 in a manner that still irks many today. 

38 Colin Sylvia 04-13 157 games, 129 goals So here’s a player who’s hard to rate. I mean on his day he was everything that Christian Petracca is nowadays – like the time he slammed home five against the Tigers in 2010. He was thickset and should have become a Dusty type, but he never seemed to have quite the training application – being a bit of a country lad. He’d played in Merbein’s flag side as a 15-year-old and I reckon he would have drunk quite a few beers that night. It’s unfair to Junior and Cam Bruce to say that he didn’t have the right role models around him back then, but there was definitely an issue of trust and he always seemed the one blamed for not applying the zone defence correctly or for failing to man up when needed and he also had a habit of turning up sozzled at training sessions. As a result he didn’t achieve anywhere near the carnage on the field that he looked capable of when drafted from the Pioneers with pick No.3 in 2003. Eventually management got jack of him and we sent him to Fremantle as part of the Bernie Vince deal. His death in a car accident near Mildura in 2018 was a sad end. Those that knew him reckon Col was a loveable, knockabout character. I prefer to remember him on song nailing 55m drop punts or the day he kicked three goals in three minutes on his way to 37 touches and three Brownlow votes in our loss to the Hawks in 2009. 

39 Steven May 19- 48 games There is a case to be made that he’s our best true full-back … full stop. I mean Tassie Johnson had stints up forward while Sean Wight began as a livewire half-back and up forward before replacing Danny Hughes. But best FB in history is a big call given he only came to our club as a 27-year-old in 2019 and in his first season copped a whack from Goody for being unfit and “beer’ prone. But given he’s one of our highest paid players – his original deal is said to have been $750K a year – a few questions were being raised, especially given Ben King looked so good. But Maysie got down to working hard to reduce weight and is now so revered that he’s a member of our leadership group. He’s also the most classy full-back we’ve ever had, with a measured left-foot that can travel 60m or 25m bang on target. On top of that he seems to relish shutting down the star forwards – it’s just so nice to have someone who can play on Hawkins, Lynch and Dixon and win most of the time. He’s just turned 30, so hopefully he can be just as frugal for a few more years yet. If so a spot in our Best Team of 150 years awaits. 

40 Steven Smith 74-85 203 games, 144 goals He was still 20 in 1976 when he seemed destined for greatness as our CHF, part of a spine that included Ray Biffin, Greg Wells and Gary Hardeman. At that stage he appeared to glide through the air and take marks all over the ground - a bit like Garry Lyon in his heyday. But 1977 was a bad year for everyone and he missed half of it with injury and he never really developed into a star up forward, so Barassi sent him down back where he won our B&F in 1981. Being a nice kick and a smart player he was pretty useful as our full-back, but he also infamously became another Leigh Matthews victim at Princes Park in 1984. A bit of a surprise choice of opponent that day given his size, Smith had aerial superiority and outplayed the champ before being dispatched in Lethal fashion. Not sure he was awake for the club song that day but given wins against the Hawks were a bit of a rarity back then, I’m sure it was a rousing one. He's one of four players to have played over 200 games that never appeared in a final along with Saints Trevor Barker, Geoff Cunnighman and our own Gary Hardeman.

34 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Would we have won the premiership if Roos completely changed his mind and decided to become a long term coach (i.e. 5 years and beyond)? I don't think so. While he had a great football mind for his time, I'd say a lot of what he had to offer game plan wise would have been old hat.

Was Roos right about every utterance he made? Nope. I didn't agree with what he said re: the Jack Watts trade, and history has proven Goody unambiguously correct in making that call.

 

Love the detail from a committee perspective. Certainly in my initial pre-amble I was not suggesting Goody was less involved in the development process, merely suggesting that Roos oversaw (in tandem with Jackson and Mahoney and quite possibly Tammy) a  significant cultural change and at the same time he always banged on about getting quality non-football time outside the club which he felt was necessary. Not sure how that would have worked in the past two Covid years though.

What I personally noticed straight away on Roosy's arrival was that the length of most traning sessions jumped up to 150mins - in keeping with actual game time and the sessions were usually broken up into their three teams (defense/mids/forwards) with a mix of skills that changed regularly until most sessions finished with match simulation. There was way more structure put into training than in the days of Bailey and Neeld. I think the arrival of guys like Ben Matthews and Jade Rawlings helped improve the quality of these sessions - although you can well and truly argue that Yze and Chocco and Chaplin have taken to to the next level under Goody.

Goody, with Mahoney's help, made some exceptionally tough calls on Watts and Hogan and clearly they look even better decisions now.

I never get caught up in guys saying they love their coach - that's what they have to do if they want to stick around. For example I have a Richmond insider who insists that Trac and others absolutely hate Goody and I take that comment with a grain of salt as  all our top players have re-signed so they must like something about the club and I'm pretty sure they would all know that our facilities at Gosch's are among the worst in the AFL. 

So basically I prefer to think that Roosy started the process with some astute observations and Goody has enhanced it.

Doing my top 40 now. May v Sean Wight, Lever v Hardeman - I know my current answer but it may change in two more years.

Part 3 – Top 100 Demons of the past 50 years 41-60

It’s interesting thinking that our success this year came from a time when the majority of players were homegrown talents, nurtured and developed after being claimed via the draft – a big thank you to Paul Roos who installed some genuinely good assistants and started progressive training structures that Goody has continued to follow. 

In the past we had been guilty of trying to buy our flag, a similar process to the way Carlton continues today with its outlays for Williams and Saad and Cerra. 

While there is no coin comparison with today, we paid record fees for Diamond Jim Tilbrook (around $20,000 to Sturt plus $5000 a year in 1971), Big Carl Ditterich ($62,000 from the Saints in 1973) and our Brownlow-winning pair Peter Moore and Kelvin Templeton, the duo came across reputedly on a combined $1 million in 1983.

Of those players only one – Peter Moore - made my list and with just 77 games for us, he is hardly a club legend, although some of his games in 1984 were phenomenal. 

That’s why it’s so hard ranking players – how do we assess loyal servants who always chipped in for many years like James McDonald and Tony Sullivan against stars who shone brightly for short periods like Moore and Allen Jakovich. 

The other tricky conundrum is deciding where to rank players who still have many more years to go in their evolution – I ruled out our three youngsters Jackson, Kozzy and Rivers on a game infancy basis but others like Salem and Fritter and Lever still have key years ahead of them so may rise up my rankings in time.

Finally we all have memories of great games by the club and that colours our thinking. For me, given that I had a few best mates who barracked for Hawthorn, there was no greater game than our win over the Dawks at Princes Park in 1984 – a bit like our breakthrough win over them in 2016. I almost put Peter Tossol in my top 100 list, based on this game, but to be fair, without watching that game, he’d be lucky to be in our top 200 of the past 50 years. It was great finding a video of that game recently – well worth a watch for Demonlanders. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzmtCfS5X_Y

41 Peter Moore 83-87 77 games One of only six Brownlow Medallists in our history, Moore came to the club at the end of 1982 with fellow Charlie winner Kelvin Templeton as Barassi tried to evoke a similar scenario to the 10-year rule that helped North’s rise. But given Moore was captain of the Pies in 1981 and 82 it was huge and when he lined up against his old side in Rd 1 of 83, a banner in the crowd read “Moore Filth”. The Pies predictably won by 10 points that day, Weid’s dad Mark had possibly his best ever day kicking five goals. Moore’s hamstring issues seemed to abate at the Dees (we probably had a better medical team than them back then) and we started to again see the athleticism of the 198cm tall ruckman, who was really more of a mobile ruck-rover. With his confidence back, he regularly tallied 20 disposals or more in 1984 on top of a few marking hot spells where he’d drift in like his son Darcy does now and just read the flight so much better than everyone else. The issue I have with the Brownlow is that game against Hawthorn in 1984. He got three votes that day, yet was beaten badly by an inspired Michael Byrne, a former Dee. Watch the replay and tell me how Gerard Healy didn’t get three-votes. The following week we were mauled by Essendon at VFL Park and I always blamed Moore for not really standing up and getting physical as many ruckman did in those days. But really I think I’m being a bit unfair with that memory as Moore just wasn’t that type of player – he was a beautiful runner who went on to become a lawyer. He had back issues early in 1987, so missed our final series revival.

42 Ross Brewer 72-78 121 games 196 goals A lanky 188cm half-forward from our then zone in Bentleigh, he topped our goalkicking three times and had a day out kicking seven goals against the Dogs in 1978. I have been desperately trying to find which game he scored a memorable soccer goal on a fast break. It was bucketing rain and so instead of picking it up just past the outer wing, he chose to soccer it and run after it. He was then about 35m out and soccered it again and then with his opponents rushing after him he opted to kick it off the ground once more and it slid through the big sticks. With his size he was very handy as the third tall, and later on even played a bit as full-forward before a knee injury in 78 led to him being offered up for trade to the Pies for Phul Carman and Wayne Gordon. I suspect that his much older brother Ian, a 1958 Pies premiership player, had gotten in his ears. Once he was fit, he played some pretty handy games for the Pies as well as two grand final losses to Carlton.

43 Greg Parke 68-73 119 games, 169 goals My first Melbourne jumper had No.26 on it – the reason Greg Parke. Parke was our star centre half-forward in 1972 kicking 63 goals, but he should have kicked many more – he just wasn’t a reliable kick like Peter McKenna or Peter Hudson. But boy could he mark it – he took 24 in one game in 1970. He had the most amazing sticky fingers and with blonde locks, would have been a favourite with the ladies as well as nine-year-old boys like me. One of the first games I attended was against the Swans at the MCG and he took 14 marks. He kicked seven on John Scarlett down at Kardinia Park that year. I don’t really know why he left for Bulldogs in 1974, I imagine it had something to do with payment given that most Melbourne players back then got little more than their MCC membership paid for and Parke was a full-time policeman like Rex Hunt in those semi-professional days. Sadly he died on September 25, 2021 – the same day that we beat the Bulldogs.   

44 James Frawley 07-14 139 games Chipper was similar to his uncle Spud in lots of ways – I mean they both were hard to push off, they both were tough as nails and they both weren’t mega kicks. But there was one key difference for our Chip - he was pretty damn quick for a big bloke. That’s why after a rookie season playing mainly on the wing he was soon sent to defence and in 2010 was so effective that he took down Jonathan Brown and Brendan Fevola in a memorable win against Brisbane at the MCG. The All-Australian selectors were clearly impressed. Surprisingly though the 21-year-old didn’t go on to win any more AA gigs. Part of that was because of a serious pectoral muscle injury and part was caused by his disgust at looking the fool playing in the AFL worst defence for several seasons under Bailey and Neeld. As a result he was happy to switch to the Hawks in 2015 as a free agent – just in time for their final flag – a game in which he kept Josh Kennedy goalless in his prime.  

45 Glenn Lovett 87-99 127 games, 74 goals I remember thinking back in the late eighties that G.Lovett  might be the worst wingman we’d had in my time of watching the Dees. He just seemed so off the pace and error prone. But thankfully I was way wrong and the club was bang on the money giving him the No.6 as come 1991 he’d developed into a clever, strong tackling, precise kicking centreman who you wanted in the side. Given his dicky hamstrings (I reckon he had skins before anyone except Don Scott) he missed quite a few games, but when he played, we generally won – because he was ahead of his time in summing up a short kick to Schwarter or Lyon. His game in our semi-final win over the Dogs in 1994 was huge and he won our B&F in 1992.   

46 Neville Jetta 09-21 159 games There are two Nev Jetta’s that played for Melbourne. The first was an innocuous small forward who played for five largely forgettable seasons before being delisted. The second Nev Jetta was spotted by Paul Roos, reinstated, and sent to play down back at a time when his accurate short kicking and evasive skills was a godsend. For the next four years, Nev was an icon at Demonland and his battles with fellow indigenous star Eddie Betts were legendary. Such was his popularity that the calls for his elevation to All-Australian status came every week throughout 2017 and 18 as he majored in shutting down opponents, but he had to settle for being an All-Star, our only representative in the pre-season 2020 game. 

47 Greg Healy 84-93 141 games, 167 goals The younger, smaller brother of Gerard could match him with skills and looked destined for similar stardom when he began in 1984 and racked up six wins and 14 goals from his first seven games. But unfortunately, we copped Essendon at their meanest the next week and after an impressive first half by the teenager, Roger Merrett made sure he wasn’t a factor. Sugar also was caught up a bit in his brother Gerard’s departure to Sydney in 85, but he responded by winning the club B&F in 1986 – a year where he kicked 35 goals when resting in a pocket. He followed that up with a handy 1987, including a 40 disposal game in our loss to the Saints at Waverley – along with Robbie I suspect he was used by coach as an example of courage by Swooper, because that’s where our run to the 87 finals started. With Robbie retiring, he was made skipper in 1988 as a 22-year-old and his form started to peter out a bit with a dodgy Achilles not helping – even being dropped in 1990 before the decision was made to go with Dollars as skipper.  

48 Graeme Yeats 84 -95 182 games, 45 goals Yeater was a lively little back pocket that we picked up from Prahran who was in and out of the side for his first three seasons and one who loved the punt – I think there were rumours he spent more time listening to his tranny at halftime than to the coaches. But in 1987, with Allen Johnson out with hamstring issues, Northey moved him to the wing and it proved a coup with his tank as good as any and his defensive discipline top class. He drifted forward and snagged a couple of goals in our semi-final win over the Swans, but sadly is best remembered for being one of three players (Simon Eishold and Tony Campbell were the others) to run into open goal in the preliminary final and miss sealers from about 35m out. He did get some compensation at Springvale in 1996, kicking the winning goal in the VFA grand final. 

49 Bernie Vince 14-18 100 games Such was his popularity among fans in Adelaide, it’s said he was in tears when told he was being sent to Melbourne at the end of 2013. And if not for a bromance with Jack Watts, he may well have walked out after his first few training sessions. But Bernie, regarded as a bit of a lad in his early days at the Crows, quickly showed he was a great character and got down to business showing why they made a huge mistake. He regularly picked up 30 possessions (even a memorable 42 against the Pies in our 2016 QB win) but it was his duels with Patrick Dangerfield back in Adelaide that won over every Demon fan. I mean how good was he copping the local barrage and giving it his all to Danger. Roosy loved him and after a stellar 2015, he joined a very elite group having two B&F’s at two different clubs. His lack of pace and Olly’s rise, meant he was sent down back for much of his final two seasons under Goody, where his long-kicking made him ideal for our kick-ins, although he missed our 2018 final series with a shoulder injury which is a shame as he certainly deserved more reward for his efforts. 

50 Lynden Dunn 05-16 165 games, 97 goals You only had to attend a few of our training sessions to get an appreciation of how important Dunny was to our line-up. He had a booming boot, but it was his booming deep voice that stood out and the manliness of it was even more important under Roosy given our youth policy. He’d taken a while to warm into my heart and I’m sure yours as his early years saw him struggle as a forward and the occasional stint as a tagging midfielder. But under Roosy his value rose and he was fourth in our 2014 best and fairest and made vice-captain. He was always slow but he seemed unfairly punished and put in the naughty box after our loss to St Kilda at Etihad in 2016. And it only riled me more when his replacement Oscar Mac was possibly the slowest AFL player we’ve had since Spud Dullard. The Pies realised Dunny’s kicking skills were elite and offered him a lifeline and he’d probably have a flag at the Pies to his name if not for injury late in 2018.  

51 Jeremy Howe 11-15 100 games We were laughed at when we plucked him from Dodges Ferry in Tassie with pick 33, but like Robbo he became a human highlights reel and with our side so incompetent back then, the weekly Howey hanger watch became a must-do for Demon fans. He won our goalkicking in 2013 with 28, but Roosy wanted him more in the game and sent him to the wing and then half-back, and his papers were stamped “defender” where he turned on an intercept show in a shock win against Richmond that year. He spent five seasons with us before heading to the other side of the Olympic Park precinct, apparently to play forward under Bucks. But the Pies soon realised he was their best kick and only injuries have prevented him from becoming an AA defender.

52 Jesse Hogan 14-18 71 games, 152 goals There was something different about Jesse from the moment he walked through the door after being taken from Claremont as a 17yo in the 2012 mini-draft. He wasn’t allowed to play AFL that year but the hype built as he impressed in NAB Cup games and he won Casey’s best and fairest after kicking 39 goals in 15 games. Roosy arrived and suddenly had a wunderkind on his hands but bad luck in the form of a back injury meant we had to wait another year for Jesse’s debut. But when it finally came in 2015, it was worth the wait. He kicked 44 goals to win our goalkicking that year and his game on Anzac Eve against Alex Rance had to be seen to be believed. A four-gamer tearing apart a champion. With Angus also in action, it was exciting times even if we barely won. Jesse had that Allen Jakovich-style mystique too and walked around with the swagger of Wayne Carey. He was a beautiful mark, but he was never a great kick (barely making it 50m) and he was desperately unlucky in life with testicular cancer in 2017 on top of his father dying and then a navicular stress fracture ending his 2018 season early – a year in which he played some of his best footy early and was a key part of our six-game winning run that set up our finals breakthrough. With smoking issues and other off-field allegations, the club took a strong stance on what they perceived was a problem child and traded him to Fremantle. It turned out a smart move. 

53 Angus Brayshaw 15- 119 games It’s been an unusual journey for our BBQ onion chef. An amazingly popular winner of our best first-year player in 2015, it looked like his career was over by 2018 as every bump to his head sent him to the dark room. His mum must have driven Goody insane with all her texting. But after emerging OK from a collision with Koby Stevens in late 2017 and with an improved tackling style that reduced contact issues, he became a major player in our 2018 revival, starting off half-back, moving to a wing and then by finals, Angus the midfielder was in full stride. Such was his rise that he came third in the Brownlow that year. Since then it’s been a bit tricky with the debate on whether he’s a pure mid or a wingman only overshadowed by the number of times on Demonland it’s been suggested he be traded to Freo to join his brother. The turning point came in our win against the Dogs in Round 11 when he stopped their outside run on numerous occasions and he repeated it in the granny – that’s why so many of us had him in the Norm Smith pole position at three-quarter time.  

54 Brent Moloney 05-12 122 games A lot of Cat fans were devastated when Little Buddha departed for the Dees in 2005 as part of the Brad Ottens deal and it wasn’t hard to see why. A big-bodied midfielder he joined forces with Brock McLean and Col Sylvia to give us a tough, but youthful look that was tipped for greatness. Sadly he had shoulder and groin injuries in 2006 and missed our finals win against the Saints and by the time he returned, Neiter, Yze, White and Robbo were almost done. He continued to do a large part of the grunt work under Dean Bailey until that infamous trip down the highway in Rd 19 of 2011 turned things on their head. Beamer felt ill pre-game and did not play, a blessing of sorts given the 186-point loss. After winning the B&F and polling 17 Brownlow votes that year, he understandably would have thought captaincy of the club he supported as a kid was next. But Mark Neeld had other ideas, overlooking both he and Nathan Jones to go with generation next – Grimes and Trengove. But he did fire up on occasions in 2012 and I well recall the way he lifted us to one of our few good wins that year – against Essendon at the MCG. He was happy to join the Lions the next year. 

55 Tom McDonald 11- 193 games Ok, he’s about to become a 200-gamer and it’s fair to say that he might be ranked a tad low by me. I mean how many above him could snag goals from the boundary like he did against Richmond and Port Adelaide in 2021. He was highly regarded as a backman under Roosy before kicking 53 goals in 2018 when Goody sent him forward in desperation. And he is a dead-eye dick most of the time, even from around 50m. But there have been hiccups along the way. His low-skimming passes from defence gave all Dee fans the sh..s and once turf-toe cut out his fitness advantage in 2019, he suffered a shocking fall from grace by the end of 2020, being shopped around with ANB. Thankfully there were no takers and after working his butt off pre-season and aided by a couple of injuries to key forwards, he was back in the ones and firing on all cylinders. A back injury cruelled his finals campaign but he battled on and stuck to his role. But as with many key forwards, especially one that Jeremy Howe enjoys using as a stepladder, there are some serious doubts on his longevity. 

56 Ray Biffin 68-79 170 games 131 goals Everyone loved Biffo. Blessed with a beer gut, the Launy boy used to unflinchingly charge at the ball from full-back for almost a decade and every now and then would launch a torpedo from the kick-in goalsquare that would go 70m or out on the full. Then in 1976, Skilton sent him up the other end in desperation against the Saints and as a forward he proved a masterstroke – nailing 47 goals in the next 13 rounds as we suddenly looked like finalists. For the next three years injuries took hold, but when he played, he scored – even snagging five goals in his final game against the Pies in 1979.

57 Danny Hughes 84-90 124 games He was 20 when he came across from Port Adelaide in 1984 and is it too nasty to say he was a meat and potatoes footballer. Basically he was your typical tight-marking, give your opponent a clip over the ear type who could kick a pretty nice, long drop punt to clear the pressure down back. He played every game as our full-back in 1985, including a few spells in the ruck, and despite not cracking 20 disposals in any game won the best and fairest as the club unravelled under Barassi. Ask Gerard Healy, who averaged close to 25 touches every game that year why that happened? Anyway Hughes was mega dependable, albeit quite slow, and that’s why Swooper made what will go down in history as the most amazing tactical blunder in the 1988 GF, switching our man off Jason Dunstall pre-game and sending our lively wingman Steven Stretch back there. Danny ended up with just three kicks and two hitouts that day – I doubt he has watched the replay. He was back at full-back in 1989 and resolute for two more seasons before deciding to head home and be part of the new-born Crows side.   

58 Rod Grinter 85-95 134 games 57 goals He spent the first two years as a lanky half-forward before Swooper sent him to defence where he made his name in the 1987 final series. Blessed with a thumping kick, he was more noted for his thumping white line fever style, dished out via the bump (Chris Mew will attest to that) or the swinging arm (Terry Wallace still probably has his lawyers on to it). He was the tough edge that most sides had, but one that we’d been missing and I’m sure that’s why his rise coincided with a successful period, albeit one without a flag. 

59 Tony Sullivan 67-79 191 games If not for a goal against the Pies in 1970, the St Pat’s (Redan juniors) Ballarat recruit may have been in a rare 191-game goalless club. You can probably guess that he wasn’t a flashy, long-kicking half-back, but my childhood memories are that our No.4 was as reliable as they come, it’s just that it was mega hard to get his Scanlen’s footy card (I never really liked chewing gum anyway). Tony played for Victoria and was 188cm, which in those days made him ideal to play on the third tall. I think Big Carl, in his second stint, wasn’t a huge fan so he ended up playing in the VFA.

60 Andrew Obst 90-97 149 games The obstetrician took a couple of years of convincing before he left Port Adelaide, but when he came was just so professional in his tactics that he was quickly a fan favourite. He played every game in the shortened 1990 season and was one of our best in our memorable win over the Hawks in the final round. For the next seven years, he was always hard at it for a skinny bloke and was third in our 1996 B&F. A few nagging injuries saw him return home after ’97 and he won a couple of SANFL flags for Port in 98 and 99.  

In the second part of his series on his top 100 players of past 50 years, regular Demonlander Deespicable ranks 61-80

Over the next five weeks, Demonland regular Deespicable will count down his version of our top 100 players since 1972. 

THERE'S always a fine line at the end of any list with a few tricky decisions on those who do and don’t make the cut.

Firstly I had a general rule that you had to have played 50 games for us, although I did break it for three players, two of whom are in the 81-100 category – Mark ‘Whacko’ Jackson and Sean Charles. One of our most expensive recruits Kelvin Templeton played 34 games and kicked 99 goals for us and his eight-goal game in our win down at Kardinia Park on Anzac Day in 1983 has to rate among our best ever individual performances – but sorry Kel, not enough red and blue blood spilt for mine.

Secondly I had to rule out a large number of highly serviceable stars who played their best footy in the 60s. Frank Davis was still captain in 1972, but by then was more a dour half-back flanker and the former No.6 never really rocked my boat as a kid. Ditto Barry Bourke.

Thirdly, how do you draw a line between levels of serviceable players, which let’s face it, most of those in the 81-100 category are. I mean Simon Godfrey (105 games) had less kicking talent than most Demonlanders, yet he tagged with intent (just ask Shane Crawford). Paul Hopgood (113 games) and Darren Kowal (105) had genuine hops, but both never really cemented a spot in eras that weren’t exactly flushed with success, while Marcus Seecamp (89) always looked the part in defence, but never dominated. 

But I suspect my biggest omission is Peter Walsh (104 games), a gutsy redheaded defender who tied for 15^th in the 2001 Brownlow with 11 votes. He came on the scene via the rookie list along with Daniel Ward and always put in and I reckon quite a few would want him, just as Port did in 2005 when he was traded and went on to play played finals for them. So re-instate him in my 81-100 list as you see fit, it’s just that all of these guys have solid cases too.

4 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Interesting discussion but there is this rule....

To be eligible for a medical substitution, the club doctor must decide that an injured player will be unable to play a game in the next 12 days.

Yes and do you think Bevo will say, sorry but we have to keep Schache or Martin on the ground if they are playing poorly because they are not technically injured. It is the grand final. The rule will be exploited if required.

Word is it that we are sticking with the same combination, including James Jordon as the sub.

Here's my view on why Jayden Hunt should be named in that role ahead of JJ.

1) The sub role in the GF is different to the role required throughout the season - it requires an impact player.

For 22 weeks plus the finals to date, the sub role was there to cover significant game-ending injuries and the coaches honored the AFL request to use it in that manor.

But the grand final is different. Sure it might be activated early if a club sustains a serious injury, but this time there is a guarantee that the side that is trailing at three-quarter time will try and use it like they did during the short-loved sub era from 2011-15.

And the Dogs will almost certainly name the pacey Anthony Scott or small forward Laitham Vandermeer for the role, allowing them the chance to take off one of their talls (Martin, Scache or English if they are getting beaten) to help provide spark.

Perth Stadium is a big ground and that injection of pace could be crucial if it's a close game.

James Jordon is a hard-working mid who is a great prospect - but he ain't going to provide a lively role up forward and he has had no training down back.

Jayden Hunt is electric, even if his pre-2021 reputation is that he's somewhat erratic, and he is experienced in playing both down back and up forward.

 2) The sub role should help with covering a key injury and ideally should have the potential to help with our two players under injury clouds - May and Spargo.

Clearly the only player on our list (other than Tomlinson) that can try and fill the May void is Joel Smith. But he is also under an injury-cloud so would be a poor choice as sub. If May was to tweak his hammy further, the most likely scenario is that either T-Mac is sent back to play on English or Schache or Hibberd would be moved on to Schache and shifted off minding Roarke Smith and Bontempelli when resting. In both scenarios Hunt can provide value in being able to cover Hibberd's role down back or add forward pressure if sent up there in a quasi T-Mac role.

Hunt also could switch into Spargo's small forward/tackle pressure role if Spargs ankle proves worse than thought. Jordon can do neither - he is best suited in the middle and would be ideal back-up if Angus, Trac, Olly or Viney get injured, although not crucial because Harmes, ANB and Sparrow can play more mid if needed.

3) Is it unfair to drop JJ after he's been in the 23 all season? 

I think JJ has been the sub for the past five weeks and we all should respect the fact that he is developing fast and has shown admirable courage. But he's been the sub - his omission does not alter team balance. All season he has won plaudits - but let's face it, he is a development player and his best years will be ahead.

Will he feel aggrieved? Of course. Every player who narrowly misses will feel disappointed. Jayden Hunt must feel mega frustrated that after finally establishing himself as lockdown defender who links up well and playing every minute of our first 19 games before getting injured that he has been overlooked for a 19-year-old and a 20-year-old, albeit two very talented ones.

Anyway to me it's clear cut - Jayden Hunt should be the sub. Just as the Dogs will try and inject pace late in the game, we need to be ready to do so as well.

Hopefully the sub issue will be a non-issue and we have the game in our keeping anyway, but what's your view?

Love the fact that Cerra wants to come to us, but like many here I just can't see the deal getting done.

And the big reason is that last year we traded out Josh Mahoney - the best wheeler and dealer in the business.

In fact I very much doubt we will see any side deals of note this year because of his absence.

I think the only time we played to this level was at the end of 1987.

Suddenly that team believed and they were doing everything for Robbie and the side had so many guns - Flower, Wilson, Sean Wight, Brett Lovett, Stretch, Danny Hughes plus some amazing youngsters - Lyon, Viney, Stynes - and our best back pocket ever Alan Johnson was out injured for most of the season.

Guys like Yeats, Spalding, Dean, Jackson, Campbell stepped up come finals.

But the argument would be that they weren't a gun side for much of the year - only hitting form in early August.

The mail I have is that there will be no change which is in keeping with the overriding finals philosophy that you don't change your finals line-up, unless you lose or have a star to recall.

Our only missing player is Jayden Hunt, but whether or not he's regarded as a star is the question. Certainly if he's fit he plays and most of us get that Joel Smith or Bowey or even Rivers would miss, but it's a tricky decision especially in light of last week. 

What I found extraordinary, and I'm surprised most of you aren't noting it already, was the big call last week to play Joel Smith in preference to Hibbo and to change what has been a stable back seven on the eve of the finals.

Just about every Demonlander has been hammering Joel since 2017 - claiming he didn't have the nous to play at this level etc.

Goody's concerns about him have also been noted - he was after all only offered a one-year deal. Injuries have cost him a chance for much of his career and meant he missed the start of our highly successful campaign this year. He apparently has been training well, but to wait until round 22 to play him shows Goody's reluctance and reticence of his abilities and to then keep him for the clash against Geelong when May was back is huge. It shows two more things. 1) Smith has incredible potential as a quick negater who can play on tall and small, even though Goody and us DLers have some reluctance about him; 2) Hibbo is no longer rated so highly by Goody.

The Hibbo thing comes as a bit of a shock to me especially as his left-foot skills provide a lovely balance for our backline and he's still tough and courageous even if he's slowing a little with age, but we all have commented for a long time that Melky and Hibbo are Goody's pets being part of his Essendon evolution.

It's hard to comprehend but what may happen now is that our four most senior players on our list - Jones, Jetta, Hibberd and Melky - are all overlooked for finals.

Extraordinary. Time will tell if it is a good gamble, but nonetheless it is a shock to me and I think most of you and I imagine, in turn, some of the players. But if Smith and Sparrow play well against Brisbane, that misgiving will soon be overridden by the wisdom of Goody's selections - which after all has been the case pretty much all season.

We are not alone in our election revamps however. Essendon has got all cagey on Tipi leading into the finals; the Dogs have chopped and changed forward structures all year and have gone off English in an amazing way; the Cats were back to blaming Stanley for everything after losing to the league No.1 ruckman after halftime; the Swans have mysteriously been playing hardball with early-season star Warner; Power axed SPP last week and the Lions have to decide if they will rejig their back seven to include Adams, Andrews and Gardiner plus upset someone to get Robinson back in.

So all side do funny things around finals - just ask John Northey about his decisions before the 1988 Grand Final. 

If Hunt is fit, then you can easily make a case for Bowey (too young), Smith (too inconsistent and injury-prone), but I reckon one of my favourites Rivers could also be a possible out. That's finals for you. 

6 Oliver: I have been critical of Ollie in the past because I felt he just had scope for so much more, whether it be his kicking or his handballing backwards. But that game showed what he has been trying to achieve since midway through last year and was Chris Judd-esque. Did you hear the Cats imploring players to mark Ollie on the coverage? He was that good and he needed to be with Trac down.

5 Gawn: How good was it that he got his redemption against the Cats at the same ground that Zach Tuohey buried us after the siren a few years back now. He was frustrated early but he lifted and even if we hadn't won, he had shown again his resolve.

4 Lever: Quiet early and beaten during the 2nd term onslaught, he started winning the ball back late in the second term and kept going for the rest of the night. He's a major reason why we are good this season. He talks and he walks and he can even baulk. But it's his sure hands and clever mind that are critical - 12 intercepts.

3 Viney: This was like a final and as you'd expect, the hardnuts comes to the fore. Couldn't stop Selwood early but boy was he working.

2 Harmes: Same story as Viney. You have to have these guys in the trenches and he is just so fit.

1 Salem: After a quietish few weeks he asserted himself a bit more and with a young running defence around him (Bowey, Rivers, Smith) he was the smarts all night. 

Effectively finals have come a week early for us along with Port and the Bulldogs. And with no clear indication on the finals bye positioning, the complexities for Goody and his selectors are even more paramount.

One thing about finals is that you rarely change the side, except for injuries, so this week is the last chance for any slight tweaks and also to get our best 22 on the park. Effectively we are picking our GF side, should we get that far, because as I said, you don't mess with structure in finals and you back your best.

But what is our best 22? 

The big thing this week is that three of our best 22 are most likely back - Viney and May certainly, T.Mac most likely.

That means a decision of the three outs is also way more meaningful as normal.

The obvious one is May in for Joel Smith. Yes Joel played well until Hibberd smashed him and for once the anti-Joel lobby didn't move into overdrive - but unfortunately he's up against an All-Australian in May. He remains a very handy back-up for our three tall defenders, but he's not getting the gig now unless one of Lever, Petty or May is injured.

The other two are tricky. Viney is clearly in and T.Mac will be if he's fit, but which of Sparrow or Jordan or Bowey or Melky misses?

To me until Jaidyn Hunt returns, Bowey's spot is safe. We could move Angus back into our defensive seven but I wouldn't. We need Angus to continue on the wing and negate and provide safety. Sparrow is a more attacking player with a better kick, but he is yet to really assert himself on a game. Down the track he may become a regular, but he's not quite there yet, so he's out in my view, although I'd be happy with him being the sub through the finals because he can offer more options with his size and his willingness to take the game on.

Then it gets down to Melky or JJ. 

JJ's issue is that with Viney back, he's forced back out to the wing more and he's not a natural there. JJ is a quick release handball offensive conduit. He's not confident yet with taking the game on when he's in a mark/kick scenario which happens more often on the wing, but he's brilliant with his handball and he works his butt off defensively. He's the safe option, but he's not the best option at this stage of his development.

Melky's issue is that once T.Mac returns, we already have seven forwards who have served us well all season. So where does Melky play. He has to go back into the midfield rotation and spend some time on Angus' wing as well. We know he has a weapon with his kicking, but is he quick enough still to play on the wing and is he enough of a team player - does he work hard to get back, to pressure like ANB and Spargo do innately. His advantage is that for his size he's good in the air with body positioning and provided he doesn't give away 50m frees, he is way more dangerous than Sparrow and Jordan in this role. He could still play primarily as a forward but that means ANB or Spargo have to become more mid/forwards, something that we've seen a bit of lately anyway.

So ultimately it gets down to Melky or JJ missing out this week and most likely missing out on our finals series as a result. Which one would you go? I'd play Melky. Sorry JJ.

Why is Adelaide not being seriously considered to host all finals?

I get that the MCG is not going to happen with crowds and I get that the spectacle is just so much better with crowds.

But I am sorry I don't quite get why Adelaide is not ahead of Perth in likelihood of staging the finals.

Adelaide, like Perth, has practically no cases

Adelaide, like Perth, has proud footy traditions which means that all games will be close to capacity even without the local sides playing, although Port are guaranteed to be playing in at least two of the nine finals.

Adelaide, like Perth, has a relatively new stadium that has won rave reviews. Crowd capacity is 53,500 as opposed to Perth's 60,156 - a slight difference but not massive enough to be a critical factor.

Then there's the advantages:

Adelaide is less distance for other teams to travel (ie Brisbane).

Adelaide is more accessible for us Victorians if we make the granny.

and while government policy changes, the one state that has been saying 'No' to any foreigners throughout the Covid era is WA.

I also get that holding the finals in Adelaide would give Port considerable clout, but as with the Lions last year, even though the umps will favour them, if you aren't up to it, you still aren't up to it.

So why Perth?

Forecast is for a nice warm 18 day at MCG, so it would be hard to use the wet excuse on Weid this week so he's in IMV.

Then it's a choice of either Joel Smith or Hibberd for Hunt's spot. I think given it's so close to finals I'd be going the experience of Hibbo, although I get the temptation to give Smith one last shot at it.

As to who comes out for Weid, it should be Melky (even though he was terrific last week), as we already have three smalls, one medium (Fritta) and with Weid (three talls) up forward. But Melky's already in the 18, so I imagine ANB and Spargo will get a bit of time up the ground and Fritta on the wing.

That means the choice for the final bench spot is between Jordon, Sparrow and VDB - tough decision that one and whoever gets it is also the most likely omission when Viney comes back a week later.

Personally I'd go VDB, but I reckon they will go JJ. And even if they don't pick JJ, it's been a great season by the youngster.

Delighted to hear talk (rumour) that we are after Brayden Maynard - who probably played his best ever game last Monday.

He's still only 24, is a left-footer which we need, and as with Hibberd, loves playing on quality smalls or three-quarter talls and is tough as nails.

He has an association with us via his dad and brother and significantly is part of the 2014 Victorian TAC group that we have put our faith behind - Trac, Angus, Lever.

I would imagine we'd have to offload the Weid plus picks 33 and 38 to get this done - but what a perfect recruit if it can be achieved.

I had been of the view that Hayden Young was the best fit for us in that role going forward, but Brayden is a here now quality player and given that Collingwood is in a rebuild phase, may be willing to switch. 

Yep and if so Melky either plays or we bring back Chandler as well and ANB becomes and even higher half-forward.

3 hours ago, Demons11 said:

On what basis are you bringing Bowey in? 
 

We just beat the 3rd place with a 40 pt turnaround and you want to make 3 changes - spare me.  Langdon the only change for either Melksham or Sparrow. 

The logic of what Turner is suggesting is fine - at some point we need to bring Bowey in so he gets a taste and the longer he and Ben Brown go without games is a worry and will make it that much harder for them.

The other thing is that I suspect Salem will have the Pies game off to give him a chance to get over his injury and it's time either Bowey or Lockhart got a game instead of Nev. If Hunt's injury is more serious than I suspect then both could play.

As to the other changes, Ben Brown should come in for Weid. It's been frustrating watching how close Weid has gone to really nailing his marks and he should be brought back in again in a few weeks, but big Ben needs another shot - that's why we recruited him.

Finally Langdon has to play and there's only one underperforming player - so Melky has to go. As with Weid, Melky should come back in down the track, but he needs to go back and lay some tackles when VFL comp resumes hopefully the week after next.

6 Petracca - was vibrant all night and his third-term goal was vintage Dusty.

5 Gawn - crumbed a goal and was our best at half time with plenty of clever kicks and handballs, but Trac took control in third. Age has early deadlines, reporter probably didn't see the second half when Trac got even better.

4 Oliver - lifted after half time with amazing run and carry and is getting closer to being the complete player. Set shots a problem - you can tell he doesn't think he'll convert them in his face.

3 Spargo - what a game from this guy. Check replay of his tap to I think T.Mac for a goal in third.

2 T.Mac - may have been reading Robbo's bathwater up to halftime, but was just so prominent and clever after the break.

1 May - Some major marks after the long interval and shut down Daniher and Hipwood at times after the break. 

I am actually hoping that both Viney and Jackson aren't rushed back and we get them ready for the Dogs game, which will be our second 6-day break in a row and we will need fresh legs.

I also want to see how Weid and Chandler go again.

Chandler was uber-impressive against the Tiger pre-season and has stepped up at VFL level. He got pinged in a tackle early and it was one of those days where nothing went right for him - even the Gatorade drenching post-game. But he did keep working hard on covering players (Saad, Docherty etc) and deserves another shot. 

Weid had to get used to a predominantly new roaming forward/ruck position (aka Jacko), which was very different to last year's main man role. His first real big chance, where he shrugged off his man saw Chandler spoil him, which was a shame - but that's football - it doesn't always  work out.

I am also hopeful that one of our mids is given a break so that Tom Sparrow gets his chance to see if he can get closer to dominating after two mega impressive VFL games.  

On 5/16/2021 at 9:17 PM, Beetle said:

He is 200cm tall.

He may appear slow, but his work at ground level, including tackling is exceptional for his size.

Exceptional hey. So where does Luke Jackson sit if BBB is exceptional - on another planet. 

Try this: BBB has some limitations at ground level which are expected given he is 200cm tall. 

PS: Nic Nat says high all the way from Neptune as well.

Ok, I have five big changes that have helped our team this year on top of the key one from last year. What I'd love to know is who was responsible? Should Goody get all the credit? I'd love to say I know the answer, but I put my calculated guess at bottom of each move. Interested to hear your views on who is responsible.

1) Loyalty to senior players

In the past Goody has got excited with his new toys (I remember his glee at seeing Oliver play even when Roosy was boss) and promoted players ahead of their time. He was behind the Oscar Mac ahead of Dunny move, he promoted Spargo as an 18yo and kept him in throughout the finals, he pushed Sparrow in for Rd 1 of 2019, he was all over Kossie and added Toby Bedford in at Rd 1 of 2020 for good measure. This year, however, he stuck fat with Jones and Jetta early when almost all of us had them written off, he played ANB over Chandler for Rd 1 and he stayed loyal to Harmes as a mid. In previous years Bowey would have played 5-6 games by now, but not this year.

Person responsible for making Goody see the light: I reckon he listened to Yze or Chocco on this - my tip is Yze because up until this year the Hawks stuck with senior men and mature bodies. I also reckon Goody's own off-field issues may have helped him see the importance of staying loyal and giving first shot to your senior players.

 2) Giving Hunt another go down back

Ok, so under Roosy, Goody used to love watching Jayden chase back or provide run. Then early in 2018 he decided that Hunt and Frost weren't reliable enough kicks and wanted to follow the Hawthorn/Geelong precise ball movement way. Jordy's influence I suspect. They were banished with Jayden given the occasional lifeline as a pacy forward.  You could see him trying to improve his kicking efficiency, often with a two-handed ball drop to ensure its accuracy. Gone also was any notion of a torp, which he unleashed so successfully in Darwin four years ago. This year someone decided that having Hunt down back again would mean Salem did not have to play on the opposition's quickest forward and as a result would have a fraction of a second more time to set things up. They also saw that under the new rules, Hunt could usually set off and break lines at will if allowed and that assisted our chances of catching other teams over the back. And I don't have the stats, but I reckon his efficiency is pretty high this year. We'd all like him to do a bit more, but his closing speed has helped with our manic pressure on opponents.

Person responsible for making Goody see the light: I reckon it was Chocco who spotted early that Hunt's kicking may not look a thing of beauty, but is just as effective as his teammates. Chocco also used to love run and carry defenders at Port, so maybe he sat down and said, we are too slow down back, Hunt's your man and Goody listened.

3) Going back to ANB 

ANB was another one of Goody's love childs six years ago when he identified that he was better as a hard-working high half-forward than as a midfield bull (partly because he isn't actually a bull). ANB has always been our No.1 trainer, he works his butt off, but eventually, like most Demonlanders, Goody lost sight of the hard yards he does in games and started counting his turnovers. The result was he was dropped after being one of our best three against Carlton in Rd 2 last year and when he eventually came back in and was over-exuberant in a tackle, the club left him high and dry to cop a four-week dangerous tackle penalty with no appeal.  This year Goody decided to reward his training excellence again and, apart from the Roos game, Nibbler has rewarded everyone with his persistence, his tackle pressure and with a rise in confidence his clever vision plays have mounted (he's not a Robbie Gray and probably never will be, but he's definitely best 22 material) and even the most niggardly of DL'ers now can see why he's been kept on and not delisted.  

Person responsible for making Goody see the light: I reckon this one might have actually been Goody himself. He did love ANB when he was a youngster and Goody himself wasn't a beautiful player, but he was a hard-worker and got better and more reliable as he aged.  

4) Returning Harmesy to the middle

There was some logic in trying him down back. In 2020 the club could see Trac had to play more in the middle and with Viney and Oliver, not to mention Angus, in the mix, Goody decided that Harmesy was expendable in the core and might be able to provide run and tightness down back. Harmesy has always been one of our vibrant players - he bumps, he blocks, he has little digs at opponents and he gets caught with the ball (a lot). But he also gets out of trouble (a lot) and he also is almost always the first on the scene of any scrum-style formation and we already know from 2018 that he loves tagging and is not scared of big names. His game against Freo (half of it with a broken hand) was mega courageous and his game and intensity against Sydney was exceptional. He's our Liam Picken - he's quick, he can mark pretty well for his size and he works his butt off. In one sense, Viney's injury is a blessing as it's allowed the move back in the guts to happen without mucking up rotations. He's not a matchwinner, but he's probably our most important role player. 

Person responsible for making Goody see the light: I am sure Harmesy was keen to head back into the middle and I reckon Yze may have made Goody more aware of how other sides hate playing against him and what he bring to the table with his ability to get quickly to contests.

5) Playing three talls up forward and down back

This one is still a bit of a work in progress, but I reckon Goody stopped toying with alternate formats (remember how Goody went five smalls up forward against WC in Rd 1 last year) and decided three bigs up front and down back was the go. He was forced to modify this a bit because of injury and classified Fritter as a tall for the first six weeks, but now has a more even mix. Jacko's mobility has helped negate the groundball issues that three talls can create anyway. And May's kicking skills mean he has a tall defender that can break lines as well, so we can get away with what appears a top-heavy set up.  

Person responsible for making Goody see the light: Once again I am not sure if it was Chocco or Yze's knowledge of other programs that forced him to see the light on this. But we can all see it's working down back with Lever and May backed by a regenerated Tomlinson (until injury) and hopefully Petty grows in confidence (he was exceptional pre-season) on the resting rucks the more he plays. 

Finally I'd just like to add that the biggest and most crucial change occured last year and it clearly has helped our entire group feel more worthy and at home.

6) Making Gawny captain

You have to remember that Goody annointed Viney and that Jack was the son of a great and was everything you could (normally) want in a leader with his desperation and courage and fearless hard work at training and in games legendary. But Jack, for all that, is a bit of an individual. He's smart, he's got a good life with a very supportive family. But he couldn't unify the guys and he didn't have the whole side's ear. Gawny may have been a knockabout but he's jungle smart and way more approachable on any number of issues. The umps love him and his banter (so he has their ear as well) and and I think we all underestimate how courageous the big bloke is, partly because he's a big bloke and you expect it. He loves all the old blokes (not just the smart ones) and it is that ability to make everyone at ease that has made him a super leader on and off the field. And if you watch his games, he steps up even more when he's needed.

Closely tied into this is that he has advocated the word of Goody that the players have to be more selfless and work for the team, not as individuals.

Person responsible for making Goody see the light: This happened last year and I think the players actually finally got a say and Goody felt under pressure from the media and partners after such a poor 2019 that he had to make the change.

It's hard to see any changes, but there's at least four players who they need to get a game into - Chandler, Sparrow, Weid and Bowey.

Hard part is figuring a way to do it when you are winning.

As to those who started the drop Harmesy jibber, you seriously need to understand football. His best game since 2018 finals.