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Surely the Norm Smith Curse is still relevant?

Yeah yeah yeah it could be Pick #3 or later but for now it's Pick #2. All trade and draft related topics and posts should be discussed within this sub-forum. The mini-rebuild starts here. https://demonland.com/forums/forum/38-what-to-do-with-pick-2-trade-and-draft-board/

Two clubs that have been hard hit by injury recently took part in a dour battle under dark clouds and, with intermittent showers falling, it wasn’t a pretty game at Victoria Park on Sunday. Despite all that, the Casey Demons added a little ray of sunshine to their day to get the job done over a "traditional" rival with a 15 point victory over Collingwood VFL that breathed life back into their season. There were a few highlights at the ground that in past days has seen many titanic battles between Demons and Magpies. Coach Sam Radford was forced to shuffle his team around to cater for Melbourne’s upcoming five day break but the sheer dominance of Braydon Preuss in the ruck was certainly memorable. Returning from one week in Max Gawn’s big shadows, the giant ruckman amassed 75 hit-outs and had 19 disposals to turn the game in his team’s favour. Defenders, Marty Hore (playing against his old VFL club) and Declan Keilty stopped countless Magpie attacks and were responsible for keeping them down to just two goals to the final break. Indeed, Collingwood was kept goalless from the nine minute mark of the opening term until early in the last such was the stregth of performance of the Casey back half. Also impressive was Josh Wagner who had the run with role on Magpie skipper Alex Woodward and the two engaged in a fascinating contest throughout the day with the Demon’s two goals proving crucial to his team’s victory. As usual, the Casey effort was helped by the reliables - former skipper Jack Hutchins and the hard man Jimmy Munro while Luke Tynan, who began his career at the club before spending some time at Port Melbourne, celebrating his 150th VFL game with a meritorious performance and was one of his team’s best. The win moved the Casey Demons into the top eight by two premiership points over the Box Hill Hawks who have a game in hand so that next week, when the Demons head to Casey Fields for their last home and away match of the season, they must defeat an improving Frankston and hope that Box Hill drops one of its two remaining games to play off in this year’s finals series. 2019 Hard Yakka / Totally Workwear VFL Casey Demons 2.0.12 4.3.27 5.7.37 8.9.57 Collingwood VFL 2.4.16 2.8.20 2.11.23 5.12.42 Goals Casey Demons Chandler Neal-Bullen J Wagner 2 Hutchins White Collingwood VFL Gallucci 2 Crocker Hetherington Stanford Best Casey Demons Keilty Hore Hutchins Tynan J Wagner Preuss Collingwood VFL Tardrew Woodward Hetherington Crocker Appleby Wellings Statistics Toby Bedford 1 behind 4 kicks 3 handballs 7 disposals 4 tackles 51 dream team points Austin Bradtke 1 behind 2 kicks 2 disposals 1 tackle 13 dream team points Kade Chandler 2 goals 7 kicks 2 handballs 9 disposals 4 marks 5 tackles 69 dream team points Dylan Collis 5 kicks 3 handballs 8 disposals 5 marks 4 tackles 52 dream team points Tom Freeman 12 kicks 2 handballs 14 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 64 dream team points Matt Gahan 10 kicks 3 handballs 13 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 64 dream team points Marty Hore 20 kicks 5 handballs 25 disposals 9 marks 2 tackles 100 dream team points Jack Hutchins 1 goals 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 10 marks 1 tackles 70 dream team points James Jordon 8 kicks 3 handballs 11 disposals 2 marks 1 tackle 49 dream team points Declan Keilty 8 kicks 5 handballs 13 disposals 8 marks 1 tackle 1 hit out 60 dream team points Jay Lockhart 1 behind 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 3 marks 1 tackle 39 dream team points Nick Lowden 2 kicks 4 handballs 6 disposals 1 mark 1 tackles 18 dream team points Corey Maynard 6 kicks 6 handballs 12 disposals 2 marks 3 tackles 42 dream team points James Munro 11 kicks 11 handballs 22 disposals 9 marks 9 tackles 119 dream team points Alex Neal-Bullen 2 goals 8 kicks 7 handballs 15 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 77 dream team points Braydon Preuss 16 kicks 3 handballs 19 disposals 5 marks 2 tackles 75 hit outs 149 dream team points Charlie Spargo 7 kicks 7 handballs 14 disposals 1 mark 3 tackles 47 dream team points Cory Stockdale 7 kicks 2 handballs 9 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 51 dream team points Billy Stretch 10 kicks 8 handballs 18 disposals 2 marks 1 tackles 53 dream team points Luke Tynan 13 kicks 8 handballs 21 disposals 5 marks 3 tackles 80 dream team points Josh Wagner 2 goals 20 kicks 2 handballs 22 disposals 7 marks 4 tackles 101 dream team points Liam Wale-Buxton 1 behind 5 kicks 2 handballs 7 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 13 hit outs 50 dream team points Mitch White 1 goal 2 behinds 10 kicks 1 handballs 11 disposals 5 marks 2 tackles 64 dream team points

A LITTLE RAY OF SUNSHINE by KC from Casey Two clubs that have been hard hit by injury recently took part in a dour battle under dark clouds and, with intermittent showers falling, it wasn’t a pretty game at Victoria Park on Sunday. Despite all that, the Casey Demons added a little ray of sunshine to their day to get the job done over a "traditional" rival with a 15 point victory over Collingwood VFL that breathed life back into their season. There were a few highlights at the ground that in past days has seen many titanic battles between Demons and Magpies. Coach Sam Radford was forced to shuffle his team around to cater for Melbourne’s upcoming five day break but the sheer dominance of Braydon Preuss in the ruck was certainly memorable. Returning from one week in Max Gawn’s big shadows, the giant ruckman amassed 75 hit-outs and had 19 disposals to turn the game in his team’s favour. Defenders, Marty Hore (playing against his old VFL club) and Declan Keilty stopped countless Magpie attacks and were responsible for keeping them down to just two goals to the final break. Indeed, Collingwood was kept goalless from the nine minute mark of the opening term until early in the last such was the stregth of performance of the Casey back half. Also impressive was Josh Wagner who had the run with role on Magpie skipper Alex Woodward and the two engaged in a fascinating contest throughout the day with the Demon’s two goals proving crucial to his team’s victory. As usual, the Casey effort was helped by the reliables - former skipper Jack Hutchins and the hard man Jimmy Munro while Luke Tynan, who began his career at the club before spending some time at Port Melbourne, celebrating his 150th VFL game with a meritorious performance and was one of his team’s best. The win moved the Casey Demons into the top eight by two premiership points over the Box Hill Hawks who have a game in hand so that next week, when the Demons head to Casey Fields for their last home and away match of the season, they must defeat an improving Frankston and hope that Box Hill drops one of its two remaining games to play off in this year’s finals series. 2019 Hard Yakka / Totally Workwear VFL Casey Demons 2.0.12 4.3.27 5.7.37 8.9.57 Collingwood VFL 2.4.16 2.8.20 2.11.23 5.12.42 Goals Casey Demons Chandler Neal-Bullen J Wagner 2 Hutchins White Collingwood VFL Gallucci 2 Crocker Hetherington Stanford Best Casey Demons Keilty Hore Hutchins Tynan J Wagner Preuss Collingwood VFL Tardrew Woodward Hetherington Crocker Appleby Wellings Statistics Toby Bedford 1 behind 4 kicks 3 handballs 7 disposals 4 tackles 51 dream team points Austin Bradtke 1 behind 2 kicks 2 disposals 1 tackle 13 dream team points Kade Chandler 2 goals 7 kicks 2 handballs 9 disposals 4 marks 5 tackles 69 dream team points Dylan Collis 5 kicks 3 handballs 8 disposals 5 marks 4 tackles 52 dream team points Tom Freeman 12 kicks 2 handballs 14 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 64 dream team points Matt Gahan 10 kicks 3 handballs 13 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 64 dream team points Marty Hore 20 kicks 5 handballs 25 disposals 9 marks 2 tackles 100 dream team points Jack Hutchins 1 goals 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 10 marks 1 tackles 70 dream team points James Jordon 8 kicks 3 handballs 11 disposals 2 marks 1 tackle 49 dream team points Declan Keilty 8 kicks 5 handballs 13 disposals 8 marks 1 tackle 1 hit out 60 dream team points Jay Lockhart 1 behind 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 3 marks 1 tackle 39 dream team points Nick Lowden 2 kicks 4 handballs 6 disposals 1 mark 1 tackles 18 dream team points Corey Maynard 6 kicks 6 handballs 12 disposals 2 marks 3 tackles 42 dream team points James Munro 11 kicks 11 handballs 22 disposals 9 marks 9 tackles 119 dream team points Alex Neal-Bullen 2 goals 8 kicks 7 handballs 15 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 77 dream team points Braydon Preuss 16 kicks 3 handballs 19 disposals 5 marks 2 tackles 75 hit outs 149 dream team points Charlie Spargo 7 kicks 7 handballs 14 disposals 1 mark 3 tackles 47 dream team points Cory Stockdale 7 kicks 2 handballs 9 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 51 dream team points Billy Stretch 10 kicks 8 handballs 18 disposals 2 marks 1 tackles 53 dream team points Luke Tynan 13 kicks 8 handballs 21 disposals 5 marks 3 tackles 80 dream team points Josh Wagner 2 goals 20 kicks 2 handballs 22 disposals 7 marks 4 tackles 101 dream team points Liam Wale-Buxton 1 behind 5 kicks 2 handballs 7 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 13 hit outs 50 dream team points Mitch White 1 goal 2 behinds 10 kicks 1 handballs 11 disposals 5 marks 2 tackles 64 dream team points

Max looks home ... 209. Max Gawn 188. Clayton Oliver 135. Christian Salem 132. James Harmes 82. Angus Brayshaw 66. Jack Viney 57. Sam Frost 56. Bayley Fritsch 54. Christian Petracca 49. Nathan Jones 43. Steven May 42. Marty Hore 31. Jake Melksham 28. Jayden Hunt 27. Tom McDonald 16. Michael Hibberd 12. Jay Lockhart 7. Jake Lever Harry Petty 5. Oskar Baker Braydon Preuss 4. Josh Wagner 3. Jay Kennedy Harris Jordan Lewis Corey Wagner Sam Weideman 2. Alex Neal-Bullen 1. Kyle Dunkley Jeff Garlett Neville Jetta Oscar McDonald Billy Stretch

It will be up tomorrow.

I never thought MFCSS could crossover to stressing about winning a game but here we are.

Saw Roosy at the footy yesterday wearing a Dees scarf.

We have seen it all before… Yes, a wonderful idea to showcase what used to be in football. Big crowds, umpires who knew how to apply the rules and not opinions, high marks, skilful players. But for the Melbourne supporters their retro is what it has been like for the past 10 years. Losing games, end on end, year after year. Opportunities squandered in front of goal. VFL standard players running around at the MCG. Just more of the same, and the game against Collingwood was no exception. Six set shots inside 50, no goal. Collingwood seven unanswered goals either side of half time, five of those from Melbourne turnovers. A total of 49 points from turnovers out of 70 for the opposition. More score in the last quarter, than in the previous 3, but only when the game was lost. 30K spectators turn up (we can forgive a bit for the weather). Yes, just like the old days, just like last week, just like the previous years. Why do we bother turning up to watch the same show and expect a different result? In an appalling display of AFL football, both sides failed to score a major until Harrison Petty dobbed a goal in the dying seconds of the first quarter. This meant Melbourne had won the quarter (big deal) and then they even extended the lead to 11 points mid-way through the 2nd. Then the retro started as Collingwood piled on seven unanswered goals, in the next 45 minutes to lead by 6 goals at ¾ time. Courtesy of multiple Melbourne turnovers, but in true retro style, by repeating the same mistakes again and again. While most fans only ever “see” the end result, the midfield have a lot to blame for with this type of loss. Consider Clayton Oliver, 7 critical errors. Brayshaw 6, Harmes 3. That’s 16 from those 3 players alone. Now compare with Collingwoods mids: Treloar, Sidebottom, Phillips, Pendelbury and Adams. 5 players and their total errorr ... five! The much touted Gawn v Grundy match probably saw Grundy take the prize for the day, but only just. It was when the ball hit the ground, that Melbourne were found wanting. And that extended to all around the ground, as not a single Collingwood player had less than double figures in possessions. Melbourne in contrast had 4 who barely troubled the statistician. Well Melbourne came out and scored more in the final quarter, than it had for the previous 90 minutes. But as the team was already six goals down on a cold and wet day, it was to little effect. To top it off Steven May hobbled off with yet another hamstring injury, nothing new for the Melbourne supporters, as they had seen similar throughout the year. Christian Petracca looked lively up forward on multiple occasions, but just faded away for most of the intervening periods. Bailey Fritsch provided the only genuine target in front of goals, with 10 marks, but then couldn’t convert, especially at critical times to finish the game with only 1.4. This was again a typical retro moment for the Demon fans. We had no less than six set shot kicks inside 50 for not a single goal. Convert just a couple of those and the match is won. Collingwood, just like Richmond the week before were kicking majors from the boundary and outside 50. We simply are unable, and multiple times just plain unwilling to take a shot when the chance arose. Jake Melksham was simply horrible, to match his equally horrible game from the previous week. But to harp on about it is not worthwhile, because the “bikkie barrel” is truly empty. The following players are due to pull on the boots at Casey this week: Hore, ANB, Jordon, J Wagner, Preuss, Keilty, Lockhart, Spargo, Stretch, Chandler, Maynard, Bradke and Bedford. Hore will surely come in to replace the injured May, but of the rest who is worthy of senior selection, that hasn’t already been tried and failed, or just simply not ready? If there was any doubt about the state of that bikkie barrel, consider we played OMac as a forward and back-up ruck. And while he acquitted himself very well, including kicking his first goal in an AFL game, we simply have no others available to do the job. We are already playing a 19 year old at FF, and one player who wasn’t on the list until half way through the season. Questions must be asked about the coaching staff this week. The centre bounce set up saw one Melbourne winger dropping back to cover the HBF who was running into the middle, and so creating an extra in defence. It was happening from the first bounce, but as the game evolved, it saw the Collingwood winger in Sidebottom standing on the wing all alone, unattended, no doubt because the Collingwood coaches saw it happening as did the Melbourne fans. Small wonder he had 23 uncontested possessions out of his 28! To top it off at the final bounce of the game, both the Melbourne wingers stood 10m behind their Collingwood opponents on the wing as the ball was thrown up. What in heavens name would possess any coach to adopt this tactic? But the Melbourne fans have seen it all before. This week, last week and long into the past. The pity is that we will see it again next week as well. Melbourne are the only side that can create a retro than goes forward as well as back! Melbourne 1.4.10 2.6.18 3.8.26 7.11.53 Collingwood 0.5.5 5.6.36 9.8.62 10.10.70 Goals Melbourne Brayshaw Fritsch Gawn Hunt O McDonald Petracca H Petty Collingwood Mihocek 4 Pendlebury Varcoe 2 Crisp Thomas Best Melbourne Brayshaw Petracca Harmes Frost Oliver Fritsch Collingwood Sidebottom Mihocek Howe Treloar Brown Pendlebury Injured Melbourne May (hamstring) Collingwood Daicos (concussion) Reported Melbourne Nil Collingwood Nil Umpires Shane McInerney, David Harris, Andre Gianfagna Official crowd 31,903 at the MCG

Fair enough but what does the poor bloke have to do to get on the injury list?

Two more weeks to go ...

Cast your votes please folks - 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...

Why is nobody playing on Sidebottom?

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We had a great opportunity to get Wines with an early pick and blew it.

Methinks Hore comes in for Lever as a late out and this was always what was going to happen. If Lever does play then I have no idea why Hore wasn't chosen over OMac.

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.Countdown Thought Demonlanders would appreciate a countdown to the end of this years misery. Bring on 2020.

Which results will help us secure the best bottom 6 partners for next years draw?

Take the Selection discussion to the PREGAME Thread: https://demonland.com/forums/topic/46668-pregame-rd-21-vs-collingwood/

This years membership would have been worth it for a song and dance number like this.