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Yeah noticed that the other day. A full preseason and a bit of luck is just what he needs.

Jackson was wearing #17 the other day but according to his Instagram he may be #6. Rivers' Instagram has #24 but he was wearing #20 the other day. Stay tuned ...

Interesting to note that the official site now lists the training start times as 9:45am. Thank you MFC.

Baghdad Bob's Training Report George on the Outer’s Training Report Deespicable Me’s TrainingReport Demon Jack's observations from training are posted in the first part of this thread. If any Demonlanders are heading down to training this morning we'd love a training report and information on who is in the rehab group and who's not there at all. Training Times Date: Friday 6 December Start time: 9.45am Location: Gosch's Paddock Date: Monday 9 December Start time: 9.45am Location: Gosch's Paddock *Please note: Training times and locations are subject to change at late notice. Please check this page on the morning of each session to confirm the time and date. Players may be available to sign any items at the conclusion of their training session. Signing will be dependent on individual training schedules and not all players may be available. Getting to Gosch's Paddock Public transport Gosch's Paddock is located a short walk from Richmond train station. Jolimont station is also located a 10 minute walk away. Tram route 70 also stops near the ground at AAMI Park (stop 7D). Tram route 48 and 75 are also located in the vicinity near Jolimont Station. Bus 246 (Latrobe Uni - Elsternwick Station) travels down Punt Road, stops at the corner of Olympic Blvd. From here patrons can walk to Gosch's Paddock. Read more about public transport here. Parking info Non-event car parking is available opposite AAMI Park at the National Tennis Centre. See more info here.

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Jason said that Jackson was the first player they interviewed back in February. Safe to say they have been into him for a long time.

Thanks to everyone who submitted questions. We couldn't use them all due to time constraints but appreciate the team effort. I'll post the show shortly.

He didn't mention any names but did mention that he was starting the interview process of a few players. We didn't press him because his mobile connection was breaking up at the end and we had limited time.

My problem with this is that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

They should lower it to 25 or 30 if they are only going to play just over a handful of games a year.

She's currently played 14.

Thank you. We did it 2 years ago and I was planning on doing it again last year but then the opportunity to interview Josh Mahoney came up.

Further Breakdown of Each Club ADELAIDE Champion Data overall list rating: 15th List rating for 2019: 2nd Player breakdown - Elite: 2 - Above average: 5 - Average: 10 - Below average: 4 - Poor: 3 We say: Despite a modest 2018, Champion Data still rated the Crows’ talent. They had injuries and off field issues and, given they were the 2017 minor premiers, would bounce back. It didn’t happen. The mass exodus of players this off-season could also explain why Adelaide has fallen so far in Champion Data’s estimations. Improvement must come from those 10 average players. BRISBANE Champion Data overall list rating: 11th List rating for 2019: 10th Player breakdown - Elite: 6 - Above average: 4 - Average: 5 - Below average: 8 - Poor: 2 We say: Is this a case of the collective triumphing over individual talent? It seems strange that a team that earned the double chance could have 10 sides ahead of it. While the Lions boast six elite players, the eight in the below average category could be a detracting factor. CARLTON Champion Data overall list rating: 16th List rating for 2019: 16th Player breakdown - Elite: 1 - Above average: 6 - Average: 7 - Below average: 10 - Poor: 5 We say: We’ll give you one guess as to who the Blues’ only elite player is. Paddy Cripps should receive more help this year, but 15 players that are below average or poor doesn’t necessarily bode well. Things can change pretty quickly, though, Blues fan. COLLINGWOOD Champion Data overall list rating: 3rd List rating for 2019: 5th Player breakdown - Elite: 2 - Above average: 11 - Average: 11 - Below average: 3 - Poor: 2 We say: The Magpies’ list appears to be one of the more balanced, with a good mix between above average and average players. If a portion of the above average group can join Brodie Grundy and Darcy Moore in the elite category the club could rise again. ESSENDON Champion Data overall list rating: 9th List rating for 2019: 4th Player breakdown - Elite: 3 - Above average: 8 - Average: 8 - Below average: 5 - Poor: 4 We say: Despite boasting three elite players, the Bombers were one of seven teams without an All-Australian representative in 2019. If Joe Daniher can return to full fitness he could be added to that category. The sliding standard of Essendon’s list doesn’t bode well for the club in its quest for its first finals win since 2004. FREMANTLE Champion Data overall list rating: 17th List rating for 2019: 17th Player breakdown - Elite: 1 - Above average: 7 - Average: 7 - Below average: 10 - Poor: 5 We say: Despite recruiting Blake Acres (St Kilda) and James Aish (Collingwood), the Dockers haven’t risen in Champion Data’s estimations. They did lose a smattering of players, including the very talented Bradley Hill (St Kilda) and Ed Langdon (Melbourne), as well as veteran ruckman Aaron Sandilands, who retired. GEELONG Champion Data overall list rating: 7th List rating for 2019: 6th Player breakdown - Elite: 2 - Above average: 9 - Average: 9 - Below average: 9 - Poor: 0 We say: The Cats lost Tim Kelly (West Coast) but gained Jack Steven (St Kilda), with the club sliding one spot in the process. Clearly, Champion Data’s formula is more nuanced than that but it speaks to the player Steven has been and star that Kelly has become. Richmond and North Melbourne are the only other team with zero poor players. GOLD COAST Champion Data overall list rating: 18th List rating for 2019: 18th Player breakdown - Elite: 1 - Above average: 2 - Average: 11 - Below average: 10 - Poor: 6 We say: The collective total of three elite and above average players is the worst by some margin, while no other team has six players rated as poor. A few more pre-seasons into the emerging crop of stars should change things around. GWS Champion Data overall list rating: 4th List rating for 2019: 7th Player breakdown - Elite: 6 - Above average: 6 - Average: 5 - Below average: 6 - Poor: 5 We say: Only West Coast and Brisbane have the same number of elite players as this year’s grand finalists. Despite the retirement of Brett Deledio and loss of Jon Patton and Adam Tomlinson the Giants are on the rise, according to Champion Data. That growth is clearly internal and could be found in the likes of best and fairest winner Tim Taranto. HAWTHORN Champion Data overall list rating: 10th List rating for 2019: 9th Player breakdown - Elite: 3 - Above average: 7 - Average: 9 - Below average: 7 - Poor: 3 We say: A small improvement for the Hawks, with Champion Data ranking them as the ninth best list in the AFL for 2020. That’s despite the loss of veterans Jarryd Roughead and Grant Birchall, while Jon Patton and Sam Frost have joined Alastair Clarkson’s team. MELBOURNE Champion Data overall list rating: 12th List rating for 2019: 1st Player breakdown - Elite: 1 - Above average: 6 - Average: 12 - Below average: 6 - Poor: 4 We say: This is a pretty big fall from the top. The Demons need more than seven players to be above average if they’re going to get back into the top-eight. Big years from the likes of Jake Lever and Steven May could really help. NORTH MELBOURNE Champion Data overall list rating: 6th List rating for 2019: 8th Player breakdown - Elite: 3 - Above average: 7 - Average: 11 - Below average: 7 - Poor: 0 We say: As one of just three clubs with no poor players, Champion Data believes the Kangaroos have the talent to make finals. Converting talent into a winning formula isn’t always a sure thing, but this is a good start. PORT ADELAIDE Champion Data overall list rating: 8th List rating for 2019: 12th Player breakdown - Elite: 1 - Above average: 11 - Average: 8 - Below average: 5 - Poor: 1 We say: There has never been a more important year for coach Ken Hinkley and, on Champion Data’s evidence, the Port Adelaide coach has a better list for 2020 than he did in 2019. Importantly, Hinkley has the eighth best list at his disposal, which could increase the Power’s finals prospects. Travis Boak might like some company in the elite category, however. RICHMOND Champion Data overall list rating: 1st List rating for 2019: 3rd Player breakdown - Elite: 5 - Above average: 6 - Average: 11 - Below average: 4 - Poor: 0 We say: No surprises here. They’re the premiers for a reason. Only four players on the list who are below average speaks absolute volumes. Stars across every line. ST KILDA Champion Data overall list rating: 13th List rating for 2019: 14th Player breakdown - Elite: 2 - Above average: 8 - Average: 7 - Below average: 13 - Poor: 1 We say: A slight improvement for the Saints, who will look remarkably different on the field in 2020. Improvement must come from the 13 players in the below average bracket. Strangely, both of the club’s elite players are ruckmen in Rowan Marshall and Paddy Ryder. SYDNEY Champion Data overall list rating: 14th List rating for 2019: 13th Player breakdown - Elite: 2 - Above average: 8 - Average: 7 - Below average: 8 - Poor: 3 We say: The Swans are in a rebuild phase and, as Champion Data predicted with its list analysis last year, the drop off was inevitable in 2019. As the new kids on the block are blooded with more games there should be a shift in the coming years. WEST COAST Champion Data overall list rating: 5th List rating for 2019: 11th Player breakdown - Elite: 6 - Above average: 7 - Average: 4 - Below average: 6 - Poor: 5 We say: Last year Champion Data copped plenty of flack when they rated the premiers’ list as the 11th best, but the predicament should be different this time around. The top end talent is supreme at the Eagles, who have the weaponry to add another flag to their arsenal. WESTERN BULLDOGS Champion Data overall list rating: 2nd List rating for 2019: 15th Player breakdown - Elite: 4 - Above average: 9 - Average: 10 - Below average: 6 - Poor: 1 We say: The absolute bolter in this list, but given the Bulldogs’ meteoric rise in the second half of the year it’s not a total shock. Luke Beveridge has assembled a team that looks destined for success in 2020, with Champion Data estimating that only Richmond’s list is better.

For what it's worth I think they may only be using those precision balls for certain drills and goal kicking. Not all the balls at training are that type. I get that it's difficult to change techniques at this stage but that doesn't mean you can't try. I also get that in the heat of a game players might revert back under pressure but again it doesn't mean you can't attempt to change it particularly when doing nothing won't fix it either. You also can't just draft a team of elite kicks. Not every player in the pool is an elite kick. Sure we all want elite kicks but there are other skills sets we need too.

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We only need to worry if Kane Cornes predicts us to win the flag.

The article is also factually incorrect as it states "Melbourne was the big slider in the rankings year on year". Adelaide actually slid 13 spots from 2 to 15 and we only slid 11 spots from 1 to 12.

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No surprises here unless last year was the surprise. CHAMPION DATA’S 2020 AFL LIST RANKINGS Richmond Western Bulldogs Collingwood GWS Giants West Coast North Melbourne Geelong Port Adelaide Essendon Hawthorn Brisbane Melbourne St Kilda Sydney Adelaide Carlton Fremantle Gold Coast MELBOURNE Champion Data overall list rating: 12th List rating for 2019: 1st Player breakdown - Elite: 1 - Above average: 6 - Average: 12 - Below average: 6 - Poor: 4 CHAMPION DATA’S 2019 AFL LIST RANKINGS Melbourne Adelaide Richmond Essendon Collingwood Geelong GWS Giants North Melbourne Hawthorn Brisbane West Coast Port Adelaide Sydney St Kilda Western Bulldogs Carlton Fremantle Gold Coast

That was when the three rookies were doing the "intensive exercises" together during match sim. When the breakaway groups were doing them they mostly paired off with players of similar builds. Luke probably should have paired off with Rivers. On Rivers he's probably taller than the specs I've seen quoted. He's a big kid. Doesn't look small standing next to Jackson. Has huge mitts. Will be a big unit with a few Preseasons under his belt. Have been told he can play midfield as well averaging 27 possessions and a goal a game as a mid.