Jaded said:

We would be stupid to say no to Yze_Magic's proposed deal, but as someone has already said, West Coast would be stupid to say yes.

If all we have to give up is an ordinary forward, and a utility with suspect kicking to get Judd, he wouldn't be the best player in the competition!

He might be a good player but if everyone thinks getting rid of our best player and an up and coming star in Miller is going to firstly boost morale they are delusional and secondly help our team win a premiership they have major problems. If they make that trade count me out as a supporter

  occo said:

Im more curious about TJ. He cant handle a tag so y doesent ND put in forward when hes being tagged??

TJ goes forward out of play, Tagger follows.......

TJ not in play gets few possessions...

Makes Tagger look good ...mission accomplished.

Part of TJ's problem has been the lack of class in the midfield with the injuries that it is so obvious to throw a tag on one of the few class players in the MFC side.

  On the Demon bandwagon said:

He might be a good player but if everyone thinks getting rid of our best player and an up and coming star in Miller is going to firstly boost morale they are delusional and secondly help our team win a premiership they have major problems. If they make that trade count me out as a supporter

You're right, we should offer them Ward and Bizzell.

FFS, we're talking about Judd, a proven premiership player and captain, a Brownlow medallist and so on, he is worth more than most clubs will be willing to give up. Certainly more than Bruce and Miller.

  Rhino Richards said:

TJ goes forward out of play, Tagger follows.......

TJ not in play gets few possessions...

Makes Tagger look good ...mission accomplished.

Part of TJ's problem has been the lack of class in the midfield with the injuries that it is so obvious to throw a tag on one of the few class players in the MFC side.

I agree it doesnt help when no-one around him doesnt look any good. Obviously too many of our players are not having a great season so far. TJ has had a few injuries but I think from here on in he will start to warm up to his best form

  Yze_Magic said:

I would trade Bruce at the end of the year while he still has value

Hopefully CAC can come up with something

Bruce, Miller and a first round pick to West Coast for Chris Judd and a 2nd rounder

Sounds good to me

WCE footy department loads gun and shoots themselves in the foot as they accept ridiculous one sided deal.

BTW, what would WCE want with Miller??

  Rhino Richards said:

WCE footy department loads gun and shoots themselves in the foot as they accept ridiculous one sided deal.

BTW, what would WCE want with Miller??

And what dont we want with Miller? I am not putting up with another rubbish deal I am still seeting over Woewodin I am not going through that rubbish again

  On the Demon bandwagon said:

He might be a good player but if everyone thinks getting rid of our best player and an up and coming star in Miller is going to firstly boost morale they are delusional and secondly help our team win a premiership they have major problems. If they make that trade count me out as a supporter

If we could do that trade, I would do it in an instant. No problem. Steal of the century. However it is a dumb one sided deal. WCE would be screwed over it.

Bruce.....our best player???? Top 10 yes but best player???

Miller an up and coming star????

  On the Demon bandwagon said:

And what dont we want with Miller? I am not putting up with another rubbish deal I am still seeting over Woewodin I am not going through that rubbish again

Oh God.

What's Woewodin doing this year? Consistently taking on the best small forwards in the competition and beating them?

Yep, didn't think so.

  Rhino Richards said:

If we could do that trade, I would do it in an instant. No problem. Steal of the century. However it is a dumb one sided deal. WCE would be screwed over it.

Bruce.....our best player???? Top 10 yes but best player???

Miller an up and coming star????

I love how when the going gets tough Miller gets it. Everyone treats him like hes been around for a hundred years. He is still young and has a lot to learn have some bloody patience. Who would be our best player then? If not the best then Bruce would be second or third, he is a match winner every commentator would agree

  On the Demon bandwagon said:

And what dont we want with Miller? I am not putting up with another rubbish deal I am still seeting over Woewodin I am not going through that rubbish again

Keep seething. It will stop you seeing some sense.

The FD saw the slide with Woey and rightfully got rid of him.

BTW, it would be a rubbish deal if you were barracking for WCE.

  Rhino Richards said:

Keep seething. It will stop you seeing some sense.

The FD saw the slide with Woey and rightfully got rid of him.

BTW, it would be a rubbish deal if you were barracking for WCE.

Woewodin went downhill at Collingwood cos of where he was played! I can see sense you are blind if u think Judd can turn the team around. Losing Bruce and Miller would put team morale at an all time low. I frankly couldnt care less what sort of deal WCE they are not my priority. Judd is going anywhere anyway build a bridge

  On the Demon bandwagon said:

I love how when the going gets tough Miller gets it. Everyone treats him like hes been around for a hundred years. He is still young and has a lot to learn have some bloody patience. Who would be our best player then? If not the best then Bruce would be second or third, he is a match winner every commentator would agree

Every commentator????? Do you develop your own thoughts or just nod when ever they speak?

Here are my 10 most important players for MFC:

McLean

Neitz

Rivers

White

Bruce

TJ

Carroll

Jones

McDonald

Bate

The top 3 I would rate better than Bruce. TJ.

Miller.????? Keep seething. Ouch the truth would be too much.

  On the Demon bandwagon said:

Woewodin went downhill at Collingwood cos of where he was played! I can see sense you are blind if u think Judd can turn the team around. Losing Bruce and Miller would put team morale at an all time low. I frankly couldnt care less what sort of deal WCE they are not my priority. Judd is going anywhere anyway build a bridge

I agree about Woey. He played midfield. He was not good enough anymore.

Where have I said Judd would turn things around? He would give it a shake.

He would be the first fair dinkum star this club has had since Flower.

Miller was out most of last year when we won 12 on the trot. Did wonders for morale.

A second thought lets keep all our players even those till they are well past it even those that are not any good. We wont win any games but we will know those players will always be with us and we can sleep in peace at night.

No wonder we have not won a flag in over 40years and pine for the ski season.

Give up Rhino, just give up. :D

  Rhino Richards said:

Every commentator????? Do you develop your own thoughts or just nod when ever they speak?

Here are my 10 most important players for MFC:

McLean

Neitz

Rivers

White

Bruce

TJ

Carroll

Jones

McDonald

Bate

The top 3 I would rate better than Bruce. TJ.

Miller.????? Keep seething. Ouch the truth would be too much.

I do not appreciate you personal attack on me, this is about the team. Whenever I have watched footy on TV someone will always say if Bruce can step up and do some magic Melbourne will win - ur in denial mate.

Well White isnt having the best year so knock him down the list, neither is Carroll, Jones is too new to be making an impact same with Bate he is too green makes silly mistakes. In finals against Freo last year Miller was the only person on the team to play consistently. He is having a slow start to the year but he will come good with confidence it doesnt help the supporters yelling and screaming at him constantly it never happens to any other players.

And I dont think u should stereotype ur own supporters either, I have had enough of this ski season [censored]

  Jaded said:

Give up Rhino, just give up. :D

Bring it!!!!!!!!

Bruce's kicking does, has and always will hold him back. He is not a reliable kick. In fact he is worse than that on occasion.

He is however one of our best and should not (will not) be dropped.

  mordja said:

Bruce's kicking does, has and always will hold him back. He is not a reliable kick. In fact he is worse than that on occasion.

He is however one of our best and should not (will not) be dropped.

How can one of our best players be a bad kick I dont get it? One of the biggest aspects of AFL is kicking so how can u be one of our best and be a shocking kick? Doesnt make sense

  dee said:

Bruce IS a disgrace to the Team today & the jumper.

Rarely have I seen a post more determined to say more about the poster than the intended target.

Now, I'll preface this by saying I stopped reading this thread when I got to this sentence so I hope you've said this statement in jest and you've gone on to reflect that Cam Bruce has been easily one of our best players for a good many years now.

If you've made the above comment seriously then go see someone, you need help.

Cam Bruce is not a knock them down bash through packs type of player. He is a fantastic running player able to find the ball in contested situations and do something with it. He can play any position on the ground except ruck and has been used by Danners to fill holes in our lineup and take the oppositions most dangerous player. He's thrashed players like Johnson and Peter Bell, no mean feat for anyone. He's played this role to his detriment for the good of the team. To suggest he is anything but a credit to our jumper is just ignorant.

Why do these sites attract people who think it is their right to abuse, insult, offend and deride people at the club. As someone once said "With freedom of expression also comes responsibility. You exercised none of the latter. It's one thing to have an opinion, albeit an ill informed one, but another not to have the decency to use moderation when expressing a view." I hope they don't mind me quoting them here.

I hope you use whatever limited intellect you have when you post in future. You've wasted none with this comment.

  Phoenix said:

Rarely have I seen a post more determined to say more about the poster than the intended target.

Now, I'll preface this by saying I stopped reading this thread when I got to this sentence so I hope you've said this statement in jest and you've gone on to reflect that Cam Bruce has been easily one of our best players for a good many years now.

If you've made the above comment seriously then go see someone, you need help.

Cam Bruce is not a knock them down bash through packs type of player. He is a fantastic running player able to find the ball in contested situations and do something with it. He can play any position on the ground except ruck and has been used by Danners to fill holes in our lineup and take the oppositions most dangerous player. He's thrashed players like Johnson and Peter Bell, no mean feat for anyone. He's played this role to his detriment for the good of the team. To suggest he is anything but a credit to our jumper is just ignorant.

Why do these sites attract people who think it is their right to abuse, insult, offend and deride people at the club. As someone once said "With freedom of expression also comes responsibility. You exercised none of the latter. It's one thing to have an opinion, albeit an ill informed one, but another not to have the decency to use moderation when expressing a view." I hope they don't mind me quoting them here.

I hope you use whatever limited intellect you have when you post in future. You've wasted none with this comment.

Hooray! Here Here! Someone around here can talk some sense

  dee said:

You seriously are not the sort of supporter we want or need right now, open ur eyes and ears and listen to yourself

  On the Demon bandwagon said:

You seriously are not the sort of supporter we want or need right now, open ur eyes and ears and listen to yourself

I want us to win a flag, not play tiddleywinks & just make up the numbers. We will never win a flag with players like Bruce who don't put their body on the line when it's required.

I worked very closely to the players for 6years of AFL & I actually know what the Difference is between the successfull sides & the also ran's.

  On the Demon bandwagon said:

How can one of our best players be a bad kick I dont get it? One of the biggest aspects of AFL is kicking so how can u be one of our best and be a shocking kick? Doesnt make sense

I should expand that to say kicking under pressure in play.

Bruce is a great athelete, reads the play well, is a natural ball magnet and his disposal by hand is typically great. His set shot for goal is fair (but will never be compared to green), he has a great football brain and is a fantastic tagger.

His kicking in play still leaves a lot to be desired

  dee said:

I want us to win a flag, not play tiddleywinks & just make up the numbers. We will never win a flag with players like Bruce who don't put their body on the line when it's required.

I worked very closely to the players for 6years of AFL & I actually know what the Difference is between the successfull sides & the also ran's.

What's your pedigree based in, Pal..............

CRACKUP. Did he really get warning for saying "Bruce is a disgrace"? Fan that is going a bit over the top dont you think? Take a chill pill cowboy!

Personally I like Bruce but he can be a front runner, like many of our players for over a decade now. When they are good, they are great and when they are bad they are very very ordinary... no middle ground. Thats the prob.

  On the Demon bandwagon said:

I do not appreciate you personal attack on me, this is about the team. Whenever I have watched footy on TV someone will always say if Bruce can step up and do some magic Melbourne will win - ur in denial mate.

Well White isnt having the best year so knock him down the list, neither is Carroll, Jones is too new to be making an impact same with Bate he is too green makes silly mistakes. In finals against Freo last year Miller was the only person on the team to play consistently. He is having a slow start to the year but he will come good with confidence it doesnt help the supporters yelling and screaming at him constantly it never happens to any other players.

And I dont think u should stereotype ur own supporters either, I have had enough of this ski season [censored]

Gee do commentators exist on hyperbole and cliche?.....Hmmm. They say it but Bruce has not done it even half as often they have said it.

They are important players because MFC are stuffed if they are out injured. Note I did not say he was better than Bruce. Who replaces Carroll at FB????

Have a look at our grand midfield without McLean and Jones in the mix....2nd year and he is ver important.

Bate is going to be very very important to MFC and if we were to be successful this year he was one of the elements.

Miller took 12 marks and 19 disposals and was inconsequential. He is a limited footballer and has been for years. I dont deny he tries and he does...he is not that good.