Backmen -- especially full backs -- always look good when the midfield is firing and bad when it isn't. Carroll is no different.

Carroll was never a match for Pav. Few in MFC are. But we get clipped in the midfield blokes like Pavlich will hurt you every time. I would persevere with Carroll.

But FCS, Ferg has to come in for Hall and O'Loughlin????? He matches up on well on neither. Last year the Swans played a 4th gamer Grundy out bodied him twice for a contested mark. I have seen enough of Ferg.

Agreed.

miller cant even mark the ball when its right there for him and hes wearing a glove so i dont understand why he cant mark, and if he does mark the ball what does he do goes straight for the handball rather than check out his options of maybe just maybe kick a goal. and carrolls been pathetic all year hes nowhere near when his opponent is miles ahead of him marking the ball. if carrolls man can get away from him why cant miller get away from his man and take a mark

miller cant even mark the ball when its right there for him and hes wearing a glove so i dont understand why he cant mark, and if he does mark the ball what does he do goes straight for the handball rather than check out his options of maybe just maybe kick a goal. and carrolls been pathetic all year hes nowhere near when his opponent is miles ahead of him marking the ball. if carrolls man can get away from him why cant miller get away from his man and take a mark

Thank God....someone else who is watching the same brand of football as me! Thanks for the support Marfa.

I just dont understand why Ferguson is not in the side

There is one main reason why we must continue to play both Miller and Carroll and that's because we have no one else to fill their roles.

Apart from Rivers, Carroll is our only bigger bodied defender capable of playing on more mobile forwards and Miller is the closest thing we have to a CHF.