Bate - 1 - Needs to go back to Sandy. Has had a poor 3 games and has had little influence.

Bell - 6 - Worked hard, but when the ball comes in as many times as it did...

Brown - 3 - So past his day it's not even funny.

Bruce - 4.5 - 30 poss. Minimal leadership.

Carroll - 3 - Beaten all day.

Davey - 0.5 - OK chasing. That's it. No influence.

Ferguson - 3.5 - Brings courage but seemed to give up as the day went on.

Godfrey - 5.5 - a fearless warrior with no skill.

Green - 8 - Should have been playing out of the goal square years ago.

Holland - 2 - Makes some dumb decisions in front of goal.

Jamar - 0 - Utter dud. And that's an understatement.

Johnson - 2 - Marked his man well but didn't do anything else.

Johnstone - 5 - got the ball. Did hardly anything with it.

Jones - 6 - Work endlessly but still not fast enough.

McDonald - 4.5 - Not his day

Miller - 6.5 - Leads all day. Still drops marks he should take and can't kick at goal. J. Brown takes 2 steps from outside 50 and kicks it post high. Miller needs a 48 step run up from 40 out and struggles for distance and/or accuracy.

Moloney - 5.5 - Best afield after 1 quarter. Did average after that.

Ward - 0 - Where the hell was he?

Wheatley - 1 - Diddo

White - 2.5 - The effect of the ruck rule has never seemed to have had so much influence on White has it did today. Career is nearly over.

Yze - 0 - 4 times kicked it to opposition. Is too fancy.

so davey and godfrey had twice the impact of bruce? and paul johnson 4 times the influence? shanked kicks or not i must have been watching another game.

moloney had 1 very good quarter and then was invisible for a half until he got injured.

CD u should know by now that noone on this site bar a few. .. give bruce or yze any respect watsoever..... he is in our worst almost every week ... and dont bother trying to argue ..... because they all are stubborn.... and biest as they come .... for example JADED $ Occo.....

yze is always in worst.... no matter wat....

and bruce is always in worst... coz he cant kick apparently....

even tho he has had twice as many possesions as daneil bell and probly the same amount of clanger kicks .... but that doesnt matter to them...

CD u should know by now that noone on this site bar a few. .. give bruce or yze any respect watsoever..... he is in our worst almost every week ... and dont bother trying to argue ..... because they all are stubborn.... and biest as they come .... for example JADED $ Occo.....

yze is always in worst.... no matter wat....

and bruce is always in worst... coz he cant kick apparently....

even tho he has had twice as many possesions as daneil bell and probly the same amount of clanger kicks .... but that doesnt matter to them...

It's about quality, not quantity. Bruce has atleast 4 or 5 bad kicks per game. Watch a game by Buckley, or Judd, or Hird, the absolute champions of the game, and try and count how many kicks are off target. 1. or 2 at the most. Most of the time none. Bruce is not in their field, but should have been, and many considered him early on to have the talent to be up there.

The way I look at it, Bruce more often than not appears to back out of contests. Watch the game and you'll see it. He is a "give to me player" instead of a "I'll come in and take it" player. That is the complete opposite of what you want in a leader. I was so happy when I saw Macca was captain yesterday. And that's why. He puts his body on the line.

Bell does not have the ability that Bruce has, but he has courage and persistance. It's unfortuante that he can't get his hands on the ball. Bruce is too often place besides the great midfielders in the game, because of his high possessions. Nothing gets to me more than when an AFL player earning $500,000 a year has 4 or 5 kicks in a game that spiral all over the place in the air instead of being a normal drop punt. That to me shows a lack of concentration and committment. And lazyniess.

Yze is a showpony and nothing more. He always has been. That can be good when you're on song, but when you're not, it's horrendous to watch. He is another Ronnie Burns imo. Can kick some goals and get his hands on the footy, but he tries to be fancy at the most inappropriate times and gives it up too often. Also, his attack at the ball is princess-worthy. He backed out three times from what I remember yesterday.

You can't critise people on this board for getting on the backs of players who earn the big bucks, which comes from OUR membership money, but aren't committed to getting the ball the hard way or kicking the ball straight. The reason most board members like Godfrey is because he brings it every week. But when he is in our best, and he is on the fringe of our list and consistently considered the least skillful on the list, it does not say much about players like Davey, Yze and Bruce, our so called leaders and best players, who struggle to have a true influence on the game.

He is another Ronnie Burns imo.

Ronnie Burns is not worthy of sniffing Adem Yze's jockstrap.

Ronnie Burns is not worthy of sniffing Adem Yze's jockstrap.

And Adam Yze, at this moment, is not worthy of wearing a Melbourne jersey.

well if there was 22 players that went in to try get the ball .... who are they going to give it too once they got it .... hero ?

no team has 22 ruckmen or 22 midfeilders..... each player is different...

and if u cant come to terms with. not all players are up and under .... u are following the wrong sport.....

your lack of respect for Yze is unheard of.....

yer sure he has a few bad kicks .... out of 30 ....

Daniel bell also ... has a few bad kicks out of 12....

i think thats a better ratio ... i dont give a [censored] if its persistance....courage.. hes a back line player.... thats a turn over in defence ... more costly than the midfield one would suggest.....

as for ur comment about godfrey.... is in our best ..... every week that is the most insane comment ever....

bruce is in out best every bloody week mate....

as for yze id like u to try and count how many times hes been in our best over the last 10 years....

if godfrey is in our best every week why cant he retain his position ?

think about that.... not takin anythin away from his past 2 weeks..... both fantastic...

get ur facts straight..