Are you kidding!? I see the way to beat Jones as dragging him into your forward-line. Nathan Jones is one of the worst defenders I've ever seen! That's not a real criticism of him because he has so many other strengths. But a defender he is not. IMO, of course.

Well in that case, if I'm wrong, then he doesn't have a future with us. Then we should trade him. I was trying to find a place to keep him. Because I can't see him in a blue chip midfield rotation in our future.

Similarly, I see the weaknesses in our tall defence looking forward. I can only see Frawley & Garland as talls for a flag tilt,,, with Grimes. We'll need to quickly address this backline problem.

Noticed on Twitter Jones is headed to Sydney for a few days for some rest and recovery, Sydney having Kirk retire at seasons end looking for perhaps another in and under type, what are the odds on some sort of meeting between jones and the swans?

Just on the Bruce rumour. On the hypothetical scenario that Bruce is picked up by the Suns and we receive a 2nd band compensation pick (1st round pick directly after your first rounder, in our case pick 13).

Getting a compensation pick opens up some really interesting trade possibilities, since compensation picks CAN be traded to other clubs.

Example: we could trade out compensation pick to WetToast. The value of that pick for them is pick 5. Whilst the value of the same pick for us in pick 13! They could even keep that pick and use it in 2 years time, and if they come last, that same pick is now worth pick 2! With the pick holding greater value for other clubs than it does us, it could open some really interesting trade options, WetToast would be willing to offer something potentially awesome for pick 5, whilst for us, we are only really trading pick 13!

You have it all so so wrong.

You have it all so so wrong.

Rather than saying that so bluntly... how about you enlighten us of what is "all so correct"?

Edited September 7, 201014 yr by DeezMan

So so correct, thankyou very much.

If used this year, the pick will not come immediately after our 1st round pick.

Nothing is allowed to interrupt the draft order for the Suns. Their picks are god.

Same goes for when GWS rapes and pillages the draft.

And if we on-traded such a pick, it would still come immediately after our first pick, only it would be selection made by WCE, not by us.

Just on the Bruce rumour. On the hypothetical scenario that Bruce is picked up by the Suns and we receive a 2nd band compensation pick (1st round pick directly after your first rounder, in our case pick 13).

Surely there's no way Bruce would qualify for that. Bock's 26/27 (I think), previous All Australian. Bruce is 30. I'd be thrilled with a pick after the second round. Love the guy, but market value is market value. Bruce hasn't got 100 games left in him.

And just on Jones and Warnock. Are people aware that after Garland, Rivers and the big Chip, Warnock is our next best KP defender? At the start of the year he was probably only behind Chip. And that's assuming all three play as KP defenders. Frawley at times has played like a rebounding small, as has Garland. I believe we might have even gone into a few games with all four?

If one of those big three gets hurt, which they are an absolute certainty to, even if only for short term time-frames, Warnock steps straight in. He's NOT trade bait... Unless he believes he's not getting the opportunities he should be, which I don't believe he is.

Bottom line. The club would not be shopping him round. At all. It's one thing to say we'd accept, say, pick 25 for him (every player in the league has a price), but it's another to go ahead and put him up for trade on the slim pretence that Carlton are weak for KP defenders and his brother is there.

The same goes for Jones... though his case for asking for a trade (or us shopping him round) is slightly stronger. The likelihood is he would be unhappy as a tagger, so there's nothing wrong with a good player wanting to further himself, partcularly if we're compensated. We've benefitted from this in the past.

Surely there's no way Bruce would qualify for that. Bock's 26/27 (I think), previous All Australian. Bruce is 30. I'd be thrilled with a pick after the second round. Love the guy, but market value is market value. Bruce hasn't got 100 games left in him.

And just on Jones and Warnock. Are people aware that after Garland, Rivers and the big Chip, Warnock is our next best KP defender? At the start of the year he was probably only behind Chip. And that's assuming all three play as KP defenders. Frawley at times has played like a rebounding small, as has Garland. I believe we might have even gone into a few games with all four?

If one of those big three gets hurt, which they are an absolute certainty to, even if only for short term time-frames, Warnock steps straight in. He's NOT trade bait... Unless he believes he's not getting the opportunities he should be, which I don't believe he is.

Bottom line. The club would not be shopping him round. At all. It's one thing to say we'd accept, say, pick 25 for him (every player in the league has a price), but it's another to go ahead and put him up for trade on the slim pretence that Carlton are weak for KP defenders and his brother is there.

The same goes for Jones... though his case for asking for a trade (or us shopping him round) is slightly stronger. The likelihood is he would be unhappy as a tagger, so there's nothing wrong with a good player wanting to further himself, partcularly if we're compensated. We've benefitted from this in the past.

Re: Warnock - hes's not happy, and will accept a trade if it comes up. Unsure at this stage whether he will request a trade, but he's definitely weighing his options up

Re: Warnock - hes's not happy, and will accept a trade if it comes up. Unsure at this stage whether he will request a trade, but he's definitely weighing his options up

Would love to know your source...? :/