And you clearly also expect them to have perfected the art of playing against a rolling zone, in spite of their inexperience.

A side can carry maybe 1 or 2 young players, but he majority of our team is made up of kids-- why is that so hard for you to see??

You Forget one thing. If kids are taught the right way by good teachers they learn real quick.

which is why i ask the question.

Hardwick seems to have sorted out quite a bit over the last 6 weeks whilst we tread water at best.....so it's worth asking. (and no i do not want bailey sacked-I want him to be a better coach)

(I want to preface this with: I'm not against Bailey or think he should go, but obviously something isn't quite working)

Sick. Of. All. This.

Too many little Baileys who think wins are the last priority ahead of some meaningless stats. After every loss it's "we were competitive for x amount of time", "we won the clearances", "we had more tackles" blah blah blah... WE LOST, that is THE most important stat.

These are the desperate cries of success starved supporters (and staff) looking for a "win" anywhere they can find it no matter how meaningless.

I would much rather hear "We were crap today, not hard enough, not skilled enough, we had no heart and need some direction", why can't we and the people involved directly with the club show some honesty. Make a stand. Stop being the ineffectual cliche we are right now.

I understand where we're at, but does that make a loss hurt less? No.

I understand we are gradually improving, but will it just automatically happen? No.

I understand Dean Bailey is trying hard, working hard, and doing his best, but does that mean he will definitely succeed because of that? No.

Stop hiding under the banner or 2012. We are playing to win NOW, We are meant to be improving NOW.

Hardwick seems to have sorted out quite a bit over the last 6 weeks whilst we tread water at best.....so it's worth asking. (and no i do not want bailey sacked-I want him to be a better coach)

Have a look at Richmond's draw over the past 6 weeks, and compare it to ours.

(I want to preface this with: I'm not against Bailey or think he should go, but obviously something isn't quite working)

Sick. Of. All. This.

Too many little Baileys who think wins are the last priority ahead of some meaningless stats. After every loss it's "we were competitive for x amount of time", "we won the clearances", "we had more tackles" blah blah blah... WE LOST, that is THE most important stat.

These are the desperate cries of success starved supporters (and staff) looking for a "win" anywhere they can find it no matter how meaningless.

I would much rather hear "We were crap today, not hard enough, not skilled enough, we had no heart and need some direction", why can't we and the people involved directly with the club show some honesty. Make a stand. Stop being the ineffectual cliche we are right now.

I understand where we're at, but does that make a loss hurt less? No.

I understand we are gradually improving, but will it just automatically happen? No.

I understand Dean Bailey is trying hard, working hard, and doing his best, but does that mean he will definitely succeed because of that? No.

Stop hiding under the banner or 2012. We are playing to win NOW, We are meant to be improving NOW.

What, the fact that we played as well as last year's (and probably this year's) Grand Finalist for three quarters isn't enough for you?

Were you expecting to win a flag in 2010?

Stupid post.

Have a look at Richmond's draw over the past 6 weeks, and compare it to ours.

Yep i have looked at the Draw of both clubs over the last 6 weeks.

And Richmond have won games interstate on enemy soil so i reckon they are way ahead of us sadly, and it hurts me to say that. Considering we smashed them in round 5.

People were predicting the Toiges would go winless this year-Far Far from it now.