That's a very skewed arguement. They are good now because they had some very juicy picks, one way or another.

However I'm kind of in between on the Saints. They were just that bad around the time they secured their big names. Like us they deserved the picks.

'Juicy picks' on their own won't be enough.

Saints got Kosi and X Clarke from Priority picks (if no PP's then neither of those 2 would be at Saints)

They got Goddard because Carlton got caught cheating. If that hadn't happened they would have had Salopek instead.

Dal Santo was taken with a mid teens pick

Montagna with a late pick

Fisher with a pick in the 50's

What many are conveniently forgetting are the players in the current Saints team traded from other teams or drafted off the Rookie list from other Clubs in the last 3 years when they had no early picks:-

Gardiner

King

Schneider

Gram

Dempster

Ray

Dawson

On the back of how many spoons and priority picks?

I rest my case.

That's not really the point. I was referring to St Kilda's unknown players' abilities to stand up and deliver when the stars were out. Players like Armitage, Ray, Jones, who weren't top draft picks.

But St Kilda does make a good case study for us pro-tankers to refer to.