And my point is, get him up the ground a bit. Feeding our marking forwards, like I remember him doing Neitz. He's not even a second target in my opinion, but his strengths are his strength at outmarking most opponents and out-hustling them in space to win the ball and kick long to the teeth of goal. I've watched him do it, and he does it very well.

Trouble is if he takes those big marks up the Ground. Why does he then stand still & Handball to someone in a worse position?? Does he seriously have a problem with Kicking? I want to ask Dean Bailey Myself....He could be a Powerhouse....

I disagree. When Miller plays CHF, he leads to the flanks, is too slow in moving the ball on, and is not an offensive threat to the opposition. Sylvia and Bate can play this role, and are capable of hurting the opposition on the scoreboard.

Miller's best position is leading out from the goalsquare, as he did effectively last season. Unfortunately, if he can't convert on his opportunities, he's a liability, and no better than Newton.

Actually, what we disagree on is that he had a good season last season. He was our leading goal-kicker, but how many did he actually kick? Did he crack 30? That's not a "good" year, not for your main forward playing out of the square. And don't give me the "he had bad delivery" thing. The delivery was no worse than Carlton in recent years, and Fev has led the goalkicking for the LEAGUE at the blues' lowest points.

Having said that, you're right about the fact he's too slow to move it on. But surely this is easily fixed. It needs coaching. Miller has played the same for SO long, perhaps it's too late as RR says... But moving it on quicker isn't so much a "learning" thing as it is a "following instruction" thing.

That's the point though, Miller is NOT a key position player.

He needs two other strong talls around him, and he needs to be the third target. I'd certainly have him over Bate as a third tall, because at least he is agile enough to pick the ball off the deck and run.

In the same manner that Rivers is not a key position player, and is a lot better as a third defensive tall, the same can be said for Miller.

Just because someone isn't suited to a KP role, does not mean they are a bad player. Miller handballs deep in attack too much due to a lack of confidence, but we have seen him nail some big goals, and he rarely gets beaten one on one.

Had Bate and Robbo both kicked those goals, he would have had 2 extra goal assists next to his name and everyone would be happy.

he plays the role of tall forward so thats key position enough for me. he is doing a servicable job during our period of transition but should we pick up Butcher(insanity if we dont) and the pace of the game i think he wont have a position. todays forward line imo should have two talls, a mid size who can mark and kick( robbo is the perfect example, hopefully replaced by jurrah in years to come) a mid size defensive player to nullify opponents play maker but have some offence tricks of his own, a mid size midfielder\ forward flanker (sylvia, maric) and a lightning quick crumber ( aussie). i like miller but dont think he is part of the future