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He didn't make a direct comparison between Jack Grimes and Brent Harvey, he said North Melbourne-ish ie delisting 4 'favourite' players in one hit and in a rather clumsy way, his opinion , a lot of supporters, myself included, have great respect for Jack Grimes the person, myself from the many conversations I have had with him, I am sorry to see him go, but understand why the club has done it from a footy point of view

He is still with us till Oct 31 officially, so like Fitzy a club can give us a 4th or 5th round pick, should they choose, gives Jack the opportunity to talk to everybody.....whoops he is a free agent....forgot

Agree with your sentiments, nicely put, hopefully the trolls will behave themselves now they have their wish

It's the grassy knoll logic that is sometimes prevalent on this board.

That would be once to much for me, they wear the wrong colour blue

You are joking right, you need to get out more I do remember the dishwashing/washing liquid as well, maybe now that's high octane petrol?

Exactly, and you don't have to agree with it, like I don't agree with others, nobody knows who is right or wrong because of the whole schamozzle being handled the way it was,. Only joined this thread to say whatever has happened in the past is exactly that and Melksham should be treated like the rest on the list, with a clean slate, but Colonel Blimp joined in with his non construcive two or three word posts. Thankfully what followed was robust debate, others have said let's move on so let's do that Used the name because that particular poster only seems to understand that particular type of post

The point I am trying to make, and others have said it may not be correct, which I can live with is If the substance they allegedly were injected with was definitively proved to enhance performance, which I don't believe has, then they cheated If, the scenario, I believe is true, they were conned into taking a banned substance, banned because the drug agencies have no idea what they are doing and blanket ban everything, the lack of consistency across all sports in dealing with drugs in sport, shows a lack of faith in these agencies Then they are guilty of nothing more than being stupid and naive, but still have had to wear the consequences of their actions or non actions As Daisy said they were also supposedly offered a smaller ban, why, supposedly the drug agencies had a strong cae, why cut a deal, hence my jaundiced view of the agencies and the organisations such as the AFL

But the reason the above is occurring is because people have differing opinions, nobody is right, although they may think they are, as nobody knows the whole story I have a very jaundiced view of both sporting organisations and the drugs in sport agencies, there are always too many personal agendas at play

So what you are saying is that because some don't agree with your opinion, they are disgusting. I think the players were stupid and naive But I am yet to be convinced that the substances they were injected with 'enhanced' their performance during the season So I'll disgust away I think what the last few pages have shown is that Demonland is capable of robust discussion without resorting to name calling or petty childishness (apart from a couple) , which for me is refreshing

It's not theory chap,, it's being on this dustbin we laughingly call our home, and reading, watching, listening etc to what has occurred over the last 64 years I have had the privilege the share the oxeygen with others. If there is a dollar to be made, ethics and morality are quickly sold

Oh yeah right, sorry you are speaking to an old cynic, the Swiss Federal Tribunal, let's not find against organizations that are based in our.country and add to the economy please we want them to stay here

Oh CAS, the 'court' set up by that well known leader in ethics and morale behaviour in sport, the IOC, they had to do something, there were too many sportspeople being dobbed in and they had sat on their hands for so long. You know to appeal a decision by CAS, you have to go to the Federal Supreme Court of Switzerland, now that will be a cheap process for an Australuan based athlete Will never change my opinion that Jake was a naive footy player in his early twenties who was set up by a snake oil salesman and a narcissist Posters on here will be telling me FIFA is not corrupt next

Exactly Interesting that I get called stubborn fool or deranged, and yet I am supposed to be the troll, classic troll behaviour from keyboard warriors

Of course we are, because we have posters like SWYL who want to condemn before a bloke has laced on a boot for MFC, I think both Melksham and Hibberd (if he arrives) will bring experience and added hardness to an already competitive side, they have served their time, and as far as I am concerned they are like everybody else who joins in October/November they arrive with a clean sheet, ready to have it covered in bile they minute they make an error during a game

Oh please, so they put it on a banned list and say it is performance enhancing, others have said that it aids recovery from injury, or may have desirable outcomes? I am not a pharmacologist, I just read both sides of the argument, my opinion, which by the way I don't have to change, even though you don't agree with it, is that the agencies just blanket ban

It didn't fall on deaf ears Wise, I answered it, all it says is desirable effects, but you probably didn't see my reply as you have me on ignore and don't read my posts

My lovely lady falls about laughing every time that ad comes on, she reckons he balances it up with all the free Swisse products And thanks, exactly what I say as well, they unfortunately had to wear taking a 'banned' substance, not necessarily a performance enhancing substance

So I take it by that you are a bio chemist, and I'm not, I just read things, I have tried to back up my statements, but obviously not to your exacting standards, for that I do apologise, you will still not change my opinion though I think Melksham will be a good pickup, obviously Goodwin rates him, has over 100 games experience, stats (not everyones favourite) indicate a pretty consistent player

Fish oil? No, have a look at some of the advertising, Hawthorn have won the last three premierships because they take Swisse?

Desirable...........there is a billion dollar vitamin supplement industry in Australia thriving on the same type of claims, every persons physiology is different, so the effect may be different, you can buy powders over the counter that increases muscle growth, they are not banned

I may be being pedantic, but SWYL said they were playing like supermen through juicing up, others infer the same thing, so what you are saying is that the substances are not performance enhancing but an aide to recover from muscle injury, so therefore if it is a medical benefit and not a performance enhancement then surely it shouldn't be banned as it actually helps an athlete recover quicker from injury and get back to competing, something that most sporting bodies would welcome rather than discourage? You are sort of making my point for me about the agencies

I have an Essendon supporting colleague as well, said the same thing when he left, turnovers, maybe just group think like we get on here Goodwin likes him as a player, that will do me When I had a chat to Jake last pre season, said the parachute harness sometimes chafes, but he does enjoy the waterboarding

You have answered what I have been asking, you said 'peddling' which is exactly right, and your ad above says 'desirable'. there is no scientific proof that any of these substances work, they may as well be selling snake oil, my point about Dank conning, there are all sorts of medicines, potions, oils, tablets in both the open and black markets that claim to do things There has to be research into performance enhancing drugs by credible organisations, otherwise what is the point banning them, again my point, as to why they blanket ban anything they have no idea about