olisik

No need to be so narky...I didnt say it will change everything so dont put words in my mouth. Having no nomination indicates that we have no new young players making the same impact that other clubs young players are to warrant a nomination.

2 players wont get us far. Need more

No rising star nomination yet. 16th on the ladder and no new young gun standing out. We are due for a PP

1 first rounder pick wont get us too much, we ll need some currency and Howe is great currency. Teams wont give us up good players for Blease Strauss or Tapscott unfortunately

I would put Howe on the trade table. Good player but more of a nice to have. GWS would pay overs for him.

If Frawley leaves and we have a bad year we could potentially be looking at 3 first round picks. If we come last picks 1 2 and 3 could be ours.

If he was already going to leave and we end up securing Roos he will really have egg on his face when he leaves after that coach comment.

Kid gets caught more then Matt Jones.

He was emotional about playing bad? I cant see a problem there. What do people want? For players to be smiling after a bad game and having a joke?

DL excuses kicking into action

Good argument but end of the day I don't think he would be as bang-for-buck as Eddie. I remember Carlton were asking their players to take pay-cuts last year so they could try get Cloke. The more pressure put on them financially the better.

1. I said arguably the best which meant it depends how you interpret it. Betts would be better in a sence that he has more years ahead of him and more to deliver in the future then Milne. 2. You would need to be blind freddy to see that we are not desperate for a good small forward. 3. Cool 4. Feel free to see how 2013 pans out, nobody is forcing you to read/post on these threads.

And will be cheaper, is a Free agent and fills a hole in our list. I dont see rioli as fililng a gap as he will just be another mid/forward which we already have plenty of (Sylvia, Blease, Howe, Kent, Tapscott, Davey, Toumpas ect)

Personally I rate Betts higher then Rioli, he gets more goals and has less injuries.

We did well last year so I am sure we ll do well again. We don't have much to lose and alot to gain this year really. We should also try to leverage a trade using Sylvia.

Arguably the best small forward in the game. He is a FA end of this year and is only 26, with Davey most likely calling it a day at the end of this season I think that we should make a play for him. He would fill a gaping hole and would give us one of the most dangerous forward lines in the game with Hogan, Dawes, Clark, Betts with some of our quick mids resting. Even if we don't get him we can force Carlton to pay overs, make them regret paying Mclean what they do.

I don't understand, where does Grundy come into this?

Adding to the Viney Bluff I assume. Will be used to force the Saints hand to use pick 12 to beat us.

What deal exactly?

Your on the ball here. I think its mostly abt getting ourselves involved one way or another as it will help our 2nd round Viney cause

I have a feeling gc may request Wellingham for Caddy but rassilons deal that gets us involved is enough. All we need to do is somehow involve ourselves in any gc trade and we may be ok...even petterd for 3rd rounder or so may put us on their good side.

Melbourne do get a player. Toy GC have pick 4 to do what they want. Adelaide wouldn't be trading with Melbourne directly so I don't see why they would need to give Melbourne anything. I dont see how they would be in any position to demand anymore either. Pick #3 for Tippet is already more then enough.

I think Gold Coast would go for it if it gave them a Trump Card over Brisbane to get Tippet. The downgrade would ultimately mean O Rourke instead of Toumpas. I don't think their is miles between the 2. Pick 3 and 4 beat Brisbanes pick #8 which they will probably offer Adelaide. 13 would not be able to trump brisbane. And Adelaide would love Grundy as a replacement for Tippet, I am not sure who else they would get and by the sounds of it he is definitely leaving.

If they get pick #9 from Carlton maybe a #pick 2 + #pick 9 + Toy from GC for a #pick 3 and #pick 4 would be worthwhile. Would secure us Toy, #2(Toumpas), #9 (Wines), #13 (Stringer, Garlett, Kennedy, Simpson) and Viney 2nd round Would secure GC Tippett + Pick 4 (O'Rourke) Would secure Adelaide Grundy

Does not help our Viney 2nd round cause at all ... GC would be after Carlton's first rounder. If they get it they will bid for Viney to replace Caddy and bump up the pick they get from Carlton.