JackDeMan

We get beaten badly in the Stoppage Clearances, especially when we lose. Until the coaches sort that out, we can forget about another premiership.

Usually done indirectly with three-way trades involving draft picks

Jesse Hogan is worth Picks 4 and 5. Freo should get Pick 4 from Brisbane for Neale and they already have Pick 5. Then we keep Pick 4 to pick up a Victorian midfielder in the Draft and trade Pick 5 for May and KK from Gold Coast. May is not worth Pick 5 as a direct trade. After that, Dyson and vandenBerg to GWS for Dylan Shiel, and GWS can on-trade Tyson if he doesn't want to go back to his old club; Kent to North for Braydon Preuss, and North to trade Kent to St Kilda for whatever they can get. Call me old-fashioned (because that is what I am), but I have had enough of these want-away Demons - trade them for the max that we can get and we move on. One last one, - would love to get Langdon from Collingwood, but haven't yet worked out the trade, unless it involves Jayden Hunt, but sounds like he is not a want-away Demon, nd the Demons still want him, so I would not want to trade him out.

Not sure if anyone on Demonland is as old as me but Sam reminds me of "Thunderbirds Are Go".

Absolutely no way should we trade Jesse Hogan now. I was in favour of it a year or two ago as a direct trade for Nat Fyfe, but that deal is long gone, and I reckon that Jesse is now loving it at the Demons with this group of players, and friends. But I do think we need to look at other options as to where Jesse can play, and that may open up other possibilities to improve the team. And I am talking about the future here, not what's left of 2018. Currently we have both Jesse and TMac in the forward line. Tom is a terrible short-pass kick (kicks at the team-mate rather than to the team-mate's advantage), and Jesse is a terrific short-pass kick. Tom is a great set shot for goal kick, Jesse has a terrible set shot technique, but his actual results are not as bad as his technique. So Tom cannot play in the backline, as most goals are scored from turnovers, and we have a problem with contested marking in defence, for which Jesse may be the answer. OMac is a very defensive type of player who I hope will improve over the next couple of years, and Sam Frost has terrific speed and I like him as a player. But neither are much good at contested marking. Jake Lever is a great intercept mark, and reasonably good at contested marks. We have to make changes, because we are not good enough. What I am suggesting is: Jesse Hogan as the contested mark in defence but not too deep, probably starting at centre-half back, so that he can also be involved in the play around mid-field, which he is really good at, plus he has great mobility. I think we are actually wasting this aspect of his abilities when we play him as a deep forward. Jake Lever as the intercept mark in defence, playing anywhere, once he returns from injury. Tom McDonald as the high forward (great endurance), but still within kicking distance of goal. Sam Weideman as the deep forward, changing with Max Gawn in the Ruck, but not going into Forward 50 whilst rucking. Sam has played well in the Ruck when given the chance, and we need to provide Max with plenty of support for his longevity in the game, and to reduce our reliance on one player in that position. Max Gawn as the Ruckman, changing at full-forward with Sam, but not going into Forward 50 whilst rucking. Max should never go to the bench for a rest - go to full-forward instead. That will preserve the interchange for the mid-field players, who run the hardest. OMac or Sam are out of the best 22, but will be terrific players to bring into the team when injuries inevitably present themselves.

No worries - thank for your explanation, and it looks like I did take it the wrong way.

Not sure what "please - insert deity" means, but it sounds to me like you are being quite disrespectful of another Demon supporter's point of view. I am fully aware that I don't have any divine authority on these matters - just putting up my point of view,. If you don't agree, I would expect a more mature response. Unfortunately for Jack, I don't think the decision it is now up to him. He cooked his own goose by not working hard enough in the pre-season. What future would he have at a club that has decided it no longer wants him?

Chinese whispers happening here. I was saying Carlton (not Adelaide) gets Watts and Trengove for a player that does not want to be there (Gibbs). Adelaide gets Gibbs (who they pitched for last year) and our second draft pick. We get Lever. Maybe Carlton need a bit more - next year's second round draft pick, perhaps.

I think Trenners can still play AFL, but has been nudged out of Melbourne by other mids and half-backs. Plus he has leadership written all over him, going by what we already know, and Justin Plapp's comments about his games in the VFL this year. I actually don't want to see him go, but he doesn't seem to be a "required player" at Melbourne anymore, and I really do think Carlton may have a spot for him. It's not just about the player, it's also about what each club needs and wants and their stage of development. BTW, I think we have done the right thing by him, giving him every opportunity to get back into footy, and now we can do the right thing again, by trying to find another AFL club for him. Your second paragraph looks like a copy and paste of my last one, so no reply required there.

Two first round picks are too much, but it does sound like a move is on the cards. This may involve a 3-way deal. What the Crows wanted last year was Bryce Gibbs. Has that changed? I don't think so. Maybe Bryce Gibbs to Adelaide, Jack Watts and Jack Trengove to Carlton, and Jake Lever to Melbourne. This deal is about what each club and player wants and needs. Jake Lever wants to come home to Melbourne, and we seem to be the club at the forefront. We need a top-class defender so Tom McDonald can play up forward permanently. Bryce Gibbs wants the opportunity to play in a premiership team, and Adelaide want him. Carlton need some experienced players (especially in the forward line) to help their young players coming through. Jack Watts needs (probably doesn't want) a kick up the bum to get the best out of himself. We have done it on a few occasions now (even as late as the start of this year), but it barely lasts a season. Jack Trengove wants and needs an opportunity to continue his career at another AFL club. I realise Jack is an uncontracted Restricted Free Agent, but sometimes clubs and players work around the rules in good faith with each other. As a Melbourne supporter, I would love to see him get another opportunity, and I think that Carlton could provide him with that. We would, I think, we have to offer another player to Adelaide, or our second-round draft-pick, to get the deal done, but 2 first-round draft picks is definitely not on.

Do we really need another mid, unless he is has more impact in his play than the usual mid? I just saw some video of Darcy and he just didn't seem to be an impact player - he actually reminded me a bit of Tom Scully. I also saw some video of Aaron Francis - playing in the backline - he was very,very good. If you think Jesse Hogan needs help in the forward line, we have seen Tommy Mac show what he can do up there from time to time. We have enough mids now - flexibility at both ends is the key.