Actually nutbean, you suggested the 4 footballers not me, and I didn't say they would "easily replace" Rivers or that they had reached his previous level. By any measure and for whatever reason, Rivers has certainly declined since he left Melbourne, and for that reason, many on your list would have shifted ahead of him had he still been with us. Moot point however, and purely an opinion. What he had that is difficult for us to replace is experience. On that point we are in agreement.