Daytona Demon

Pringles post was chock full of logic and I hope it turns out for the best, Now you can get back to being a real keyboard hero and follow in the footsteps of E25.

You're seriously pushing the limits of my tolerance. I suggest you take your trolling elsewhere...

I would like to add a little something to this discussion from a medical point of view. I have experience working as a doctor in a major trauma and orthopaedic unit. I have been a VFL club doctor and I'm currently studying to becoming a sports physician. I have a good knowledge of recovery from fractures such as this one. I will not reveal how I know, but I know exactly what type of fracture Sam sustained. And I just want to dispel a myth or two.

First of all, Blease did not have a Nathan Brown type of fracture. His fracture was completely different, and though not quite as minor as the club initially tried to make out, it was also not that bad either. There is absolutely no reason that this type of fracture should take away Sam's pace in the long term. It can take time (sometimes a couple of years) to regain full mobility and confidence after such a fracture. But Sam will be absolutely fine down the track and will eventually forget this ever happened. IF he doesn't make it in the AFL, it will be because he is not good enough at playing football. It will NOT be because of physical limitations caused by the fracture. It may very well be that the time and development lost because of the fracture might hinder him in making it in the AFL. But it will be because of lack of football ability, not be because of the physical limitations post fracture.

So if you want to take my opinion, I feel that this debate should be about Sam's football skills, not his ability to physically recover the attributes that saw him selected in the top 20 kids in the 2008 ND. Because all of those physical attributes will still be there when he hits his peak in few years time.

I think our resident hillbilly will still find holes in that, despite its sound logic.

Very special, Read my post never did I say his career was over NOT ONCE. I said "I think he will struggle to make the grade". I also said "I hope I'm wrong".

Is Meesen really one of your favorite players ?? Now that is a career that is over. SEE THE DIFFERENCE !!!

You're obviously disoriented. So let me point you to where you were trying to go before you tripped over your shoelaces and fell on your head..

My link

"I got a stiffy!!" - Brenden Fevola, Brownlow night. Gonna miss him...

ha ha classic!!

Fev's the 'thinking man's neanderthal'.

Daytona rather than just attacking an opinion how about offering something yourself !! Far from idiotic but rather a fairly well informed opinion, I have followed Sam Blease quite closely since he was drafted from Norwood. I have nearly watched all his ressies games at Casey live HAVE YOU ???

Forums are all about opinions so don't be a [censored] and offer one from time to time.

You're the only one in this thread who thinks Blease's career is over.

That makes you pretty special...

I have garland @ 191cms with a slight type of frame. He doesn't look to me as the Ideal build to over fill with muscle. I'd keep him close to where he's at & nice & agile with speed.

Nothing like the frame of the young Frawley.

So I'll differ with you re the way you see our defence in the future. Then one could say, why did we chase Brian Lake last year.

I'll stick to my instincts re the recruiting of a young key Back.

He did a great job on Franklin in 08' when he was on fire. And a couple of others in more recent times that escape me..He does play above his size.

But I see what you're saying. I think we could probably do with developing another key defender, but pretty unlikely with a 1st round pick. Not many KD's go 1st round..I don't think many current gun KD's were 1st round picks (Frawley excluded...)

There'll be opportunity to address this 2nd round onwards...

Anyway, this thread's supposed to be about Brodie Smith lol..

I agree.

It sounds like speculation by someone who hasn't actually seen him play this year, but is going by the reports that his form hasn't been fantastic.

I think you're being a bit generous there... anyway, i'm looking forward to seeing him next year. He's exciting and I reckon he'll add another dimension to our midfield if he can stay fit.

This is what I read into it Enforcer, As I've said in previous Blease threads. I believe this kid will struggle to make the grade at AFL level solely because he broke his leg and his game is built on speed, run and breaking lines. Seasoned AFL players rarely come back from seriously broken legs let alone skinny kids yet to play senior footy. I hate to say and I mean this I really hate it but I think we have lost out on a No.18 pick. Shoot me down at will, I hope I'm wrong.

BTW I know he's young and has time on his side.

He's lost none of his pace. If you'd actually bothered to follow what's going on at the club, rather than just blurting whatever idiotic thought comes into your head you'd know that...

I don't think Garland is a genuine Key Defender,,,(FB or CHB) but more a 3rd tall defender or medium defender who can take a mobile tall or a small. See josh Gibson.

rivers I see as also struggling with the bigger bodies or the big classy talls, pace & disposal are a concern but a great team player who reads the play well & gets back to chopout.

This is why, I think Riv & Warnock won't cut it as Key Defenders in our Open Window, 2013 +.

If we recruit that Kid this year, he has 3 years to 'arrive' into the side that will be maturing before his developing young eyes. Pick 1 for me!

A tall forward or small/medium pacy attacking back for my 2nd pick!

Well it seems as though we're playing him as the no. 2 KD, and I think he's doing a fairly good job. Sure he's a tad undersized, but his closing speed and anticipaion make up for it imo..

Height wise he is around the mark for most FB's, though his weight's a bit less.

I like the look Of McCarthy from SA who's about 195cms as a KD, but he probably will be gone at pick 12. I don't think there are any other KD's that are worth a 1st round pick..

I'm guessing we'll go for a more versatile or midfield type, unless there's a really good KPF they rate at pick 12..

I think our KD's is OK, and we can perhaps bring in another in the later rounds. Gotta take best available in round 1, and thats generally not a KD as previous drafts show imo.

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Gone.

Oozes charm doesn't he??

Lets not forget that they also gave us Pick 14 (Grimes) for TJ

They are the new FREO!!!

Voss is the new Peter Ridsdale.

So Brisbane essentially gave up Rischitelli, Henderson, Kane Lucas, and Bradshaw for The World's Biggest Liability...

We seriously need to trade with Brisbane more imo.

Terrific.

The club has really been making a big effort to communicate and make that connection with the supporters, which is good to see...

Smith looks a great pickup for any team after an inside-mid. with pace. I'm not sure that's what we need though, esp. with Jack Viney coming through in a couple of years (assuming he signs on)..But who knows?? BP has already pointed him out as a player he likes.

I think we're OK for Key defenders. I mean we've already got Frawley and Garland who have All-Australian potential as key defenders..We've got Warnock, Rivers and Martin who can play as backup KD. Up forward we've got Watts and Jurrah who are enough imo to build a forward line around (although a big, agile, strong contested marking forward would be ideal) they don't come up too often in the 1st round..

I reckon we should obviously take the best available, but i'm assuming there'll be some versatile types who can compliment Frawley/Garland rather than challenge for their spot...

I think its more the 'disposal' coming out of defence that we need to improve, because our defenders are doing a reasonable job of shutting down the opposition. Its generally turnovers that are killing us when we come out of defence..

What about targeting Lewis Johnson from Sydney?

Hasn't played a game yet but was highly rated as a junior in the watts draft I think.

I'm assuming he was one of the players Paul Roos was frustrated at for not pushing his case for a senior call up..

B: C. Johnson Scarlett Fletcher

HB: Wanganeen Hodge McLeod

C: N. Lappin Ablett Judd

HF: Richardson Riewoldt B. Harvey

F: Akermanis Lloyd B. Johnson

R: Sandilands Goodes Black

IN: J. Brown Ricciuto Hird

Cousins

Captain: Ricciuto (from the bench ha ha..)

Coach: Paul Roos (rate him higher than Lethal as any mug could've coached that team to 3 flags. Roos is a genius and had greater longevity...)

It was too inflexible with having to pick players from certain groupings. Richo probably wouldn't have got in, but I didn't think anyone else deserved the HFF spot. Would've put Ricciuto there ifI had the choice...

Jones should not be traded he is developing well as a specialist tagger. With the departure of Junior that role will be important to fill.

Just because he finished equal 13th doesn't mena he wont be in the core 22 for several years to come.

At the start of the year everyone lamented his attempts to break through packs etc but that was the wrong role for him.

In the back half of the year he looked settled in his new role and he is a good clubman.

I mean I see what you're saying, but Jones has been tried in a variety of roles, as inside midfielder he struggled to have an impact in the clearances/stoppages, was slow and often made poor decisions turning the ball over & getting caught. So they tried playing him more outside, but he doesn't have the footskills or flair/creativity to be damaging in that role.

So the only role he can play is a run-with, because he's not effective being played in the forward line or defence either..

He's a specialist 'tagger'...that's the only role he can play with some effectiveness, and as we saw against North, he just doesn't have the leg speed to go with likes of Brent Harvey..

I just don't see why some think he should be 'untouchable'..

IMHO many around here are giving us a great "theoretical debate" but are miles, miles short on specifics.

If we had specifics, then we'd be on the recruiting team wouldn't we.. I mean, what is it you are expecting?

My initial impression from reading BP's articles on the AFL site was that he didn't feel this draft had great depth, but he seemed to change his position in his post U-18 Championship article.

He seemed to be more optimistic that there would be some good talent in the later rounds (2nd and 3rd i guess..) for us to pick as well. So who knows, we may trade to improve our draft position.

Whether people like it or not, Jones, Maric, Warnock and even Bate aren't essential to our list, and they would all have some currency in the market. I'm not saying I want any of them to leave, but realistically, if that's the direction the club wants to take, its probably because they believe there are players out there who could better compliment our core group of players.

Who knows, its pure speculation atm. But it wouldnt surprise me to see us try to get all our picks inside the top 50 (perhaps totalling 5 or so...)

I don't think mono was talking about the GC out-of-contract player trading

I think he was saying that they have so many draft picks for draftees that they will be prepared to trade some of those directly for some experienced contracted players from other clubs. They already have a heap of last year 17YO's and they don't want a team of too many last year 17 YO's & this year 18 YO's. hence they might do a lot of direct horse trading to get a better mix of experience/youth.

Oh yeah of course, Warnock's still under contract isn't he...

A pick between 20-30 would be ideal, and GC have pick 26 I believe.

I'd definately take GC's pick 26 for Warnock if it was offered...

I could not STAND to see Collingwood win the GF. I was praying Geelong would get over the line against St.Kilda, because I cant stand them either..

A Collingwood vs St. Kilda Grand Final will be simply unwatchable, if it eventuates...

GC have a sh*t load of 1st round picks. Some/lots? will be used for trades, which can be on-traded. Who knows what picks will be available for trades.

Gonna be a complicated trade period me thinks.

Oh yeah i forgot about GC. I think we'd probably get a better deal trading with another club tho. I mean, if Adelaide could only get a second rounder for Bock then we wont get anywhere near that for Warnock...

Considering their first pick is pick 19, that would be a fair price to pay for a FB.

However Warnock is a straight out shut down player who doesn't provide drive out of the backline. They've already got Jamison. you really can't have 2.

Hawks pick 20. I would think they would be sniffing out a ruckman first.

My pick is the Saints especially if they don't win it this year. Pick 24 or 25 for a FB. Fair IMO.

I guess its likely a number of picks will change hands during trade week anyway. So we dont know for sure who will have those picks between 25-30..

I agree that Carlton don't really need him, but then again they didn't really need McLean either.. B) Ratts obviously has a soft spot for us, so you never know...

Hawthorn are probably the only team that could do with a player that has his attributes as they are clearly undersized..

Very well explained.

I'm sure Barry Prendergast has a much better idea though haha.

I wonder what he is thinking...

So- who do you suggest we look for at pick 12.

Its still probably a tad early, although i've speculated about this in the stickied post above.

I still think we need to address our delivery out of defence by finding a tallish player who is a creative user of the ball by foot, who also does the defensive tasks well. I mentioned that I thought Smedts and Heppell could be good options here, and are a fair chance to be available at pick 12.

Another one i've been contemplating may slide to us is Daniel Gorringe, the ruckman from SA. I think he's a top 10 talent, but the GC already have their ruck stocks sorted out (in terms of developing ruckmen, led by Zac Smith). The other 4 sides to have picks before us are West Coast, Richmond, Essendon and Brisbane.

WC already have Cox & Naitanui, Richmond have Graham, Browne and Vickery, Essendon have Hille, Ryder & Bellchambers, and Brisbane have Leuenberger, Clark & Charman, so none of those sides are really in need of a ruckman, but they could all do with some star midfield potential. If he did slide to us we'd surely have to pick him. He'd be perfect for working in tandem with Jamar/Gawn because he's very dangerous when pushed forward. He's not just a tap ruckman because he's terrific at ground level and he's also quite quick and skillful.

Pat McCarthy from SA is more of a KPD at 195cms, but he's quick, versatile and uses the ball well by foot. So he could be that 3rd tall defender behind Frawley & Garland and give us something a bit different.

Keiran Harper's another I like the look of, and he's from the same school as Blease & Gysberts came from (Yarra Valley Grammer) fwiw. Tallish, quick & skillful high-half forward/mid and you can never do with enough of those types...