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    Dermie is a [censored] stirrer of the 1st order, unlike BT and Brayshaw and a few others who are gooses all the time, he is capable of the occasional astute observation, but then can't help himself and has to be a clown. Could have been one of the best in commentary if he wanted.

    Tom Morris lecturing about the Sydney Hicks story being tabloid and not worthy of reporting made me throw up in my mouth.

    Would have been a train crash if Oliver had hit Fogarty, no percentage in it. Smart to pull up is not the same as short steps, same game Oliver marked it above his head knowing his ribs were open and took the contact, that is bravery.

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    8 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

    Just remind them he chose success over money 😉

    What I found bewildering is they were booing Petty early in the game. Like, aren't they trying to woo him? Or are they going for the whole treat them mean, keep them keen approach?

     

     Looking at the lists, God Bless JT, and from fond memories of Football Park, clearly it was a state game ... SA A. versus SA B. 

    Obvious that the locals resented having to support the B team.

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    Watching the game again and I think Billings was very unlucky not to be in the goals and I really like that he didn't stop trying to score. I hesitate to turn him into a whipping boy just yet.

    I also noticed we're carrying a few injuries and the bye cannot come soon enough. I think Chandler, Oliver, Trac, Viney, May, Brown and Lever are all carrying niggles in urgent need of a rest. Am not going to drop my bundle if we lose to Brisbane. Obviously hoping for a win.

    In better news - Tmac has turned the clock back years, even his field kicking and decision making seems sharper. Dylan Thomas comes to mind for our veterans Do not go gentle into that good night. Brown, and Melksham hopefully later look like they are not going to die wondering. And Brown definitely has fire in the belly even if he didn't hit the scoreboard his endeavour is there.

    However watching Port dismantle Essendon (with a fit JHF and Mitch G) made it clear we really put some blood and sweat into that win. We are not that far ahead, there are a few teams where it will be fine margins. Oliver needs his hand, we want Petty forward, and we cannot lose an ounce of our pressure game. I also am not sure about Salem in the middle, something about his timing seems off, not attitude but I think he's better when the play is coming to him. 

    Most urgent however is JvR getting his hands back, he's lost something with his timing on holding the ball, his attack is great, but either an injury or mental demons have really got a hold of him. 

    Carlton (who I still do not credit as truly good) and GWS have some weapons to trouble us, is going to be a titanic season and have mad respect for the way the team is going about it.

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    I think Kozzie's direction might save him from 2 weeks, I'd take one on the basic premise of protecting the head. In real time looks innocent and actually much more innocent that the Bailey Smith incident, slow mow looks like he lined him up. But both running in same direction and looks like he was trying to squeeze past Soligo. He also seemed apologetic which is unlike him.

    Must admit will Kill me being first team to have a suspension from the 'Dog' rule.

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    6 May - If the Rock met May on the football field he would be a pebble. Inspired, trust the match committee, and we needed him.

    5, Trac for giving 100% all night BOG, but for May's bravery.

    4 Mcvee. Silk

    3 Lever. Inspector Gadget, disguised like a baby giraffe, moves like a leopard 

    2 Gawn. Captain

    1 Sparrow, another solid game.

    Crows came to play, we did well.

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    @Rodney (Balls) Grinter yes his goal kicking was running at 81% during 1st third of last season. His sets shots have been a thing of beauty and he’s is very high, if not leading in assists. I was more commenting on everything but the goal kicking which obviously stands out, it is the defensive pressure going up beyond what I saw in ‘23, I would say he tried the same things last year, he seems to make the tackles stick more now in ‘24, and has multiple efforts in each play (Sparrow has improved in this as well btw). My handle is DEEfence not DeeATTACK, sorry, ducks head…

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    I’m going early with this but have been watching Chandler very closely this year and I see a different player to last year. I think he’s upped his endurance by about 15%. His pressure acts, and tackling have improved, and he remains brave as. I would very much like to see a proper I/V with him to get more of a sense of him, I’d like to believe he is a very decent young man. (Gus and Gawn he was hamming it up) 

    To my point, he is ANB 2.0, lots of hard defensive running, role player, and I think we are quickly starting to rely on his defensive pressure, it is something about his effort that makes me think he has moved past a few on the list. I was genuinely nervous when he’s had some leg knocks as I don’t think he’s obvious replacements match him for defensive efforts.

    For mine most improved player so far this season.

    Oh and if he’d kicked that snap that hit the post in the opening qtr last week, I reckon he’d almost be in the votes, was a great bit of work that just missed.

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    On 02/04/2024 at 03:14, WalkingCivilWar said:

    On Saturday night I was giving out flags and giant heads etc. before the match. Towards the back of our bay I came across a “mixed marriage” couple, he a Dees man, her a Port gal. I said to him, “What happened here? You dropped the ball in the wifey stakes!” He said, “We’ve been together for 15 years and I’ve spent the whole time trying to convert her, now I’m just giving up.” I said to her, “And you’re fine to sit in a bay full of crazy Dees fans?” She said, “Have you SEEN Port fans??? I feel safer sitting with you guys!” 😂

    Also, a family asked if there was any giant heads left. I brought the Chin head to them and said, “this is the last available giant head. But it’s by absolutely NO means the least. Chin is a much loved and respected young player and a future champ of our Club. The dad said, “I know, he’s my nephew.” And if there was any doubt, it was dispelled when I noticed the distinctive familial square jaw, even on the kids! 😁

    You could almost start a weekly thread - Army tales or the like, I always enjoy your stories of who you met or what you observed from the cheer squad. 

    Anyway I’m going to mention this in the Kade thread, but I really feel he’s becoming a ANB 2.0, does so much defensive stuff, I actually worry when he looks like missing with a knee.

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    29 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

    And how Oliver can play with a finger dislocation is also interesting. 
    I think when you’re Oliver or May or Trac you are deemed fit to play even when you’re underdone because even if you’re in pain and not going at 100%, you are still better than most alternatives. 
    I would say that only if an injury can get worse by pushing through pain, that these key players are basically just playing through adversity and a lot of pain killers each week.
    Also some players clearly have a higher tolerance than others. May played with a 6cm hamstring tear in a grand final. As if a few broken ribs would keep him out. 

    Size of the fracture has little to do with the pain, and for instance a Bennetts fracture leaves the joint so unstable you can't tie a shoe lace. Anything near the CMC joint is a show stopper. (Had a few, was in so much pain my jumper caught fire  in front of a heater and didn't notice until I smelt it - no not high)

    Also, just quietly reading Adelaide board, this match could be the end of Gather Round, if we do the expected and don't mess the bed.

    Massive Jinx to say this but 'RIP Gather Round, Killed by the MFC 2024' 

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    As a Gen X, I've seen many gun (homegrown) defenders, my favorites in no particular order (Wight would be 1) are: Lovett, Whelan, Jared Rivers, Jetta, Walsh, Wight, Chip, Salem and Garland - I thought he was a ripper, who would have been a Lever/Alir/Blakey in a decent side and heralded as the prototype interceptor. A few others have had good cameos in the men's department, and this is no disrespect to Hibberd/Lever/May who were recruited not grown.

    All this to say, I have every confidence that McVee will sit in DEE fence's little pantheon. His calmness under pressure is truly elite, I would make him a sub boat captain (if Trump doesn't torp AUKUS).

    Rivers/Bowey every chance to join as well, but recency bias at play 

     

    7 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

    Fascinating how certain players are key to teams fortunes (structural integrity) and are overshadowed by the glamour of goals and high possession gatherers.

    They used to be called ‘workman like’ or ‘agricultural’ and now ‘role players’,  yet even (to my mind) that is underselling them. ANB’s career has been encapsulated by what he does defensively which is ultimately unheralded unless you are a key back man. It’s not just the last 3 years, and I get that people see his last match as a version of a ‘break out’ - but he’s been consistently consistent for years with the attributes that he has.

    I loved hearing that someone from the Hawthorn FD flagged that people should sit down and watch what ANB does with the down the ground footage.

    They watch it knowing how subtly yet significantly influential he is.

    For a thoroughly obscure reference - he is the Claude Makelele of Melbourne. 

    Great reference, even if I dislike every team he played for, anyway had to look this up and lo and behold: I think Claude has this kind of gift – he's been the best player in the team for years but people just don't notice him, don't notice what he does-Fernando Hierro. Not saying ANB is anything other than maybe the best runner, but the parallels with their defensive work is definitely there (although I think it was racism that saw CM leave Real Madrid)

    9 hours ago, Lexinator said:

    Great analysis. What is interesting is like you said that you'd normally find more eligible rising stars in teams like North, teams at the bottom 'playing the kids', yet we are a contender and forming a good balance to get games into our 'kids' and playing experienced players without compromising team performances. 

    I think we are doing better at blooding kids than either Geelong or Hawks did in their pomp

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    1 minute ago, whatwhat say what said:

    tigs in front with lynch vs us with may - 2 premierships to 1

    it's subjective, but I thought May had more to do with us being good than Richmond gets with Lynch, on Premierships though... can't really argue, I would say if we swapped lynch for May I don't think we win '21.

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    2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

    Adelaide screwed us to the wall for Lever

    IF he goes it would be nice to return the favour.

    Genuine question, while I wouldn't mind cheaper, you'd have to say he was and is worth every cent. We bought a IWC not a Timex.

    2nd question, did we do better with May than Richmond has done with Lynch?

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    1 hour ago, Maldonboy38 said:

    Love watching him play, and can't wait to see what he becomes. Gives me a Steven Stretch vibe, but with a lot more toughness. And for a young kid, he is still running late in games which is a huge benefit in its own right.

    I just hope the selectors don't give Hunter his place at any stage. He might not get the amount of ball Hunter does but his effectiveness with it is way in front of Hunter's. 

    I don't reckon any of his games are Rising star worthy yet, but internally I get the feeling the coaches are ecstatic over what he is bringing. 

    100% MB, I should probably research this OP better, but am going to go with 'feel', Hunter seems to receive a lot of outside ball, and I think the team trusted him as soon as he came in, Caleb is earning that same grace that Hunter was gifted with. I never felt like Hunter's disposal beyond 15m ever approached par. I already think Caleb has shown more desire to get his own ball, and is definitely better 'at range' with flatter kicking (great in a wingman) 

    Hunter has a mountain of work to get back into the team, and is not best 22 atm. Caleb is crazy brave whereas Hunter is professional and considered, I like Caleb's desperation more. And his fitness is elite, I see no need to rest, bar him getting some sort of knock. 

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    14 minutes ago, rpfc said:

    Great bloke, genuine person.

    If it wasn’t for one Christian Petracca you could see him as a skipper in the mould of Junior Mac.

    We touched on this in ‘21 - but the work he does to help CP5 in particular to be damaging is his real asset and then when he gets lost in the shuffle and hurts the opposition - that’s just gravy. To be the best, you need players like ANB that are happy to execute a role and do it excellently. You can put up with the odd fumble and clanger ;) 

    ANB reminds of a Chief of Staff, supporting the General (Trac) during a campaign, enabling the decisive actions. I also think he is a great example for nurturing your talent. We nurtured Wied and some others, and sadly didn't pan out, we did the same with ANB, and it did, and we didn't just get a player, we got a culture, our game style require brutal effort, people like ANB have helped develop that (Viney and Max being the principles), I can't help but think the way Chandler, Kossie, Rivers, McVee etc play is based on seeing the efforts of the leaders like ANB. And by nurturing I think that makes more of a team than just throwing people to the wolves. Compared to the time when Green was Captain (that's too hard we're not doing that(at training)- is that true or urban myth???) I feel ANB was one of those that shook the bruise free tag.   

     

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    18 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

    Windsor doesn’t look as though he needs a rest. At his rate of improvement he’ll probably be in our best 6 at the club after next week. I haven’t seen a player come at our club come do what Windsor has. We’re a top 4 level club, and this kid comes in first year and improves the side drastically. Unless he gets injured he’ll be winning the rising star. 

    Oliver made his debut in the two-point win against Greater Western Sydney at the Melbourne Cricket Ground in Round 1, 2016. He was highly praised during his debut match, twenty-two disposals, with fifteen of them contested, and seven clearances from 58 percent game-time, labelled as one of the best debuts in the previous fifteen years, but yes Windsor is good, but don't forget what a phenom Clarry was.

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    @Demonland do you still count votes after you post the running tally?

    6 ANB

    5 Maximus

    4 Trac

    3 Viney

    2 Lever

    1 Oliver

    So stiff arguments for any of these guys to poll as high as 3 - Chandler / Rivers / Langdon / Brown, epic team game.

    RSA - Caleb

     

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