old dee

While the players you list regularly play well they are not enough. Oliver is a pup and who knows where he will end up. Viney is at his best right now he is not blessed with great talent but plays above level by sheer effort and IMO will not get any better. Gawn is a tap Ruckman who has had one good year and who breaks down regularly his type do not win flags just look at all the flag winners from the last decade they have average Ruckman. Petracca is a conundrum he has shown in a few games that he is good but in a lot more has been rarely above average. For whatever reason he does not appear to have a big tank that champions need in the modern game. Of your four I see only Oliver as being top shelf the rest are good but hardly good enough in the current list to challenge for a flag. The list needs another four very good players and a couple champions right now it is a ninth placed list. We desperately need an elite KPB and a tall mobile forward who is good at ground level. Of course another couple of very good mid fielders would not go astray As the coach said the ladder dose not lie.

Sorry to disagree tpf39 but he has no presence in the forward line. He constantly drops marks, is next to useless at ground level. He has played one good game at Casey in two years. Last weekend he had ten possessions and struggles most weeks to hit double figures. I see nothing so far in his two years at the club that suggests he will be a good Casey player let alone at AFL level.

Kennedy is out of contract. He had no games in the last third of 2016 and no games in 2017. That about covers it I would think.

Weideman won't be traded. To be traded you have to have a receiver. At the end of 2017 there would be zero.

Barring being part of a deal to get aLever type over the line DA I don't think he is going anywhere. As you say the best we could expect would be a second round pick. I think most teams would consider him a risk health wise. I would be surprised if he was worth more than early third round on the open market.

You have my vote.

Is "solid" good enough?

Saty Hogan is a good mark and kick player but his ground work is not in the same street as buddy. Buddy does the very difficult things often. I have Hogan among my best players at the MFC but we need a number more if we make are to seriously threaten a flag.

More than happy for him to become one bb but I won't hold my breath if you don't mind.

My point rjay is we do not have a "buddy " type or anyone close. We have good players but next to no very good players. who on our list can turn a game when the run is going against us? Yes we have improved considerable on 2013 but we are at present a ninth placed list. Without changes this list will not get us to a GF.

The start of the season is hope the end of the season is reality rjay.

I have seen him a couple of times this year and was totally underwhelmed. Struggling at VFL IMO.

You have way better vision than me PSD

I would trade him for either of those in a heart beat.

Exactly. we don't have anyone even close.

What I am saying bb is we have next to no really good players. Who is our "buddy"?

Exactly my point DA.

Is close to the top of my trade list bb. If using him in a trade that got Lever I would do oin a heart beat.

But he cannot stay on the park DA. all the talent in the world does not win games if you are in the outer with us.

Sadly DA I think what have seen is what we are going to get.

I actually think our depth is ok it is the "good" player category that is sadly lacking. We have a about ten Good players and almost nil very good players and no one who can turn a game when the run is going against us. Right now our list is a eight to ninth placed list, as the coach said the ladder does not lie. We desperately need four very good players who can stay on the park.

Mr Salem is challenging for the honour of most games lost through injury. There is a pattern forming, he cannot stay on the park and seems to loose all form when returning from injury. Doubtful long term performer IMO. I would trade given the right deal.

The weid has little chance full stop. Has no impact at vfl level let alone senior level.

No!

We just signed Stretch up for two more years. He is is a good vfl player. Has IMO no skill that hurts the opposition. Waste of a spot in our 40 team roster and he has a few mates. We still don't have enough players who can change the course of a game.