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Ok Hannibal, you have quoted this line in the past (in those exact words), but if you do a little searching, you will find that your paraphrasing of the original does it no justice... the original being: "AFL Players Association CEO Matt Finnis said the esteem with which Goodes is held within the playing group no doubt contributed to the strength of the response. “When you see a player who is so decorated and so accomplished a player in Adam Goodes and you see him in a vulnerable moment that’s a pretty stark reality for players,” Finnis said. “The fact that we have players voicing their disapproval towards an incident like this and we have players reporting fans from their club who make racist remarks demonstrate the progress the game has made in recent times. “But as Adam said, if racism has a face and it’s a 13-year-old girl we still have work to do.” (note the IF Hannibal) AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou agreed." It was very apparent that Goodes was referring to the fact that the media had gone on a feeding frenzy and despite his best efforts to take the heat off her via social media and press conferences, she did become the "face" connected with racist comments directed at Goodes. Of course, that doesn't suit your agenda does it, so you paraphrase to make it sound like Goodes was singling the girl out for treatment when in fact he did the exact opposite once he realised that his "attacker" was a 13 year old girl (something there was no way he could have known at the time of pointing her out in the crowd in the heat of the moment).

I would have thought democracy ends with the vote (which in itself being compulsory makes that debatable)... after that it is the mandate that rules; demandocracy?.

Cudos to you WYL for not going the "in the trenches" analogy. Must have been tempting ;-)

Reminds me of a religious studies class when I was a kid... the teacher asked if anyone could name the Holy Trinity... one kid piped up with Moe, Larry and Curly.

Are high pressure catheters permissible?

I half agree and half disagree OD... When we have performed well (Bullies and Toigs) we have performed really well, so they have proven it is not beyond them... even those opening quarters against GWS and Port show that they are capable, but for some reason they lack belief and fall apart when they are not in the familiar surroundings of the MCG. With 7 of our remaining games to be played at the MCG, and if we can break our Etihad hoodoo, we could stand a chance of being a mid-tier finisher.

I can still see us making it to 10th (I had us pegged as finishing in the 10th and 12th range). The fact that there are only 2 wins separating the teams from 7th to 15th provides me with hope that we can make it to 10th, given that we have a relatively easier draw in the 2nd half of the season..

Apart from the fact that there are a surprising number of bigots on these forums, I haven't got much out of it that is likely to sway my opinion that Goodes did nothing wrong in being an indigenous player performing an indigenous "tribal war dance" during a match that was a part of the indigenous round as a celebration of his scoring a goal. My opinion that he did nothing untoward in partly directing that celebration at a group of Carlton supporters who had been jeering him from the opening siren up until that point in time has not and will not change. My opinion that he was right in outing the racism that was directed at him two years ago and that he would not have realised the age of the person he pointed out has not changed... although I did learn that he publicly went to the defence of the girl once he did know the details and it was the media who "crucified" her.

And it appears he still managed to get nothing out of it.

Why would you include other races if it is like a "welcome to country" type of thing in response to the acknowledgement of the traditional custodians of the land? Why not have someone like the Bangarra dance troupe present a stylised version prior to the start of the GF? Educational, entertaining and would appeal to all people on all levels (it's got to be better than Meatloaf).

What is that avatar you are wearing SoNS? It reminds me of a photoshopped image I have somewhere of Lee Harvey Oswald just as he was shot... they photoshopped a microphone into his hand and various musical instruments amongst the security surrounding him...

Does it really matter what the media say here? From WADA's position, the Australian media is probably just a case of out of sight, out of mind.

He would have to be the Cream of the crop... coming from a low bass. having said that, a combination of Jack Watts and Cameron Bruce would be a Strange Brew indeed. Edit: Curses... I just noticed binman's post... still, great minds...

Hey, Ben Hur doesn't post here anymore... or does he?...

AzzKizza, I think the greater problem is that you don't seem to be able to see that your comments could be construed as being offensive. Seems you did to yourself exactly what you suggested Rusty Nails do to himself.

Dog, meet Bone.

I think the issue is that while (perhaps) the majority boo Goodes either because they don't like him as a player or because everyone else is booing him, there are going to be many who join in for reasons of racism as it gives them an opportunity to let it out without having to be open about it and there are probably many who see the booing as justifying their racist stance against Goodes (or indigenous Australians in general).

What more could he do other than go to the media saying what he says in that article/interview and go on to social media as he did with that tweet? Everything he said there was out of concern for that child's well being and in the hope that she and those around her would be educated in how hurtful such comments can be so that there would be a positive outcome for all. As you agreed previously, he could not have known at the time that he had pointed out a 13 year old girl in the heat of the moment. Once that became apparent, he did all he could via the media to protect the girl... however, the media being what they are, went on a feeding frenzy.

I posted this in the other Adam Goodes thread in the general forum, but it's probably just as relevant here as it seems many think that Goodes never stepped in to take the focus off the 13 year old girl or that he just sat back and let her become the face of racist Australia... this article appeared on the Monday immediately following the indigenous round during which the incident occurred: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-25/goodes-gutted-but-places-no-blame/4712772

Perhaps you should take a look at this article, noting Goodes' tweet, where he stated (funny how such things apparently go unnoticed, yet every other detail is under the microscope): "Just received a phone call from a young girl apologizing for her actions. Lets support her please#racismitstopswithme #IndigenousRound — Adam Goodes (@adamroy37) May 25, 2013" http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-25/goodes-gutted-but-places-no-blame/4712772

Pro-Dees argument is based on this Bolt article that he selectively quoted (sans link) in the other Adam Goodes post: http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/adam-goodes-lecture-lets-us-all-down/story-fni0ffxg-1226846319656 Here is the other persepctive: https://newmatilda.com/2014/11/13/punters-guide-not-getting-defensive-about-adam-goodes-truth-bombs

Tell me Wrecker45... when you first saw the cameras focus on what was happening after Goodes pointed out the section of the crowd where the racial taunts had come from, did you immediately think to yourself "hey that's just a kid, a 13 year old girl"? I know I sure as hell didn't and until I heard the reports long after the event, even after numerous viewings of replays, I would never have picked the guilty party as having been a 13 year old. So, it is easy to understand how Goodes, in the heat of a game, would not have realised either.

You stated it was a court report when clearly it was not... it was Bolt's take on what occurred in the court was it not? Placing words in between quotation marks does not necessarily mean that is precisely what has been said. Oh, and I thought you were supposed to be at work... right wing bludger?

Assume all you like... you seem to be good at that.

Seriously... [censored] off please.