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In: Junior McDonald. 26 possessions, 3 marks, 6 tackles against Carlton. Earned a spot I would say.

Exactly. So no need to put words in people's mouths. Once again no-one here has said that they were "happy" or "satisfied", which is what you keep coming back to for anyone who doesn't agree with your one-dimensional view. As for your description of our opponents ... put it this way. I'd love for Melbourne to become as "second-rate" as Geelong were today.

As usual with your posts ... where did anyone say they were satisfied? Just because people aren't bitching and moaning and laying into the players every chance they get doesn't mean they're "easily satisfied".

Just about. Out: Sellar, Bail In: Fitzpatrick, Couch I'd be looking at Bennell as well.

Is it pre-season again? Nothing else to post about? How about we critiicize Watts for his hair-cut or choice of after-shave? Inane.

Probably all we can ask for at the moment. Will be interesting to see what/if any changes for next week. Sellar/Fitzpatrick, Bail/Couch? Wouldn't mind Bennel given another chance, has had a couple of good games at Casey it seems, and we could use some leg speed. Sylvia? Has been ordinary for his first two games, but he's exactly the kind of player we need doing well.

No-one's saying it's happy days - but I agree with the earlier post, I checked here at half time and can't believe how unrelentingly bleak many of the posts are. Clark great, Tapscott better than he's been all year, Davey getting going, McDonald showing a bit ...

Not just their backline ...

a) who's to say we'll be paying overs and B) what's not to be optimistic about getting one of the standouts of this year's draft? You, and others here, continue to refer to some kind of "market value" when in reality there isn't one.

No it's not. We don't bid at all, we only nominate him as F/S. It's the other clubs that bid (or not). We then just have to match those bids to get him. If there are no bids on a nominated F/S player, he's automatically taken by the nominating club with the last pick in the draft. Once he's nominated F/S, we have no choices and no say in the matter. All we can do is match bids, not match bids or take him last pick if there are no bids.

It's not a potential outcome. Viney, first pick Melbourne. It's already done. Get used to it. And enjoy it.

What would you call it if we take a top-10 player with a pick in the top 10? Like quite a few posts on this thread, yours is riddled with assumptions. Firstly that GWS or GC wouldn't want Viney with their first pick, secondly that only GWS and GC will finish below us this year, and thirdly, that all clubs will keep their first picks and not trade them. We Just Don't Know. If Viney does play for Casey on Saturday, someone should camp by the pie-stand to see if Big Phil Scully drops past for his customary half-dozen.

Just what is the problem here? Jack's a future star, he's ours, we'll get him with a top 10 pick. This idea of "market value" is just conjecture, and irrelevant even 6 months down the track. If not, the number 1 draft pick would win the Rising Star every year. He's clearly one of THE standout players in this year's draft. Win win win. No-one's dictating terms, hard to see just what you're getting so worked up about.

Agree - but then again, we don't know that we will be paying overs, even at Pick 3 (if that's where we get him). I agree with Emma Quayle re this, I just do not understand the consternation expressed by some here. One of the easiest drafting decisions we'll ever have to make, whatever pick he goes at. And the idea that we can somehow "hide" someone who's already racking up under-age BOG nominations is a bit beyond me. Every man and his dog knows about Viney and his capabilities - which is why Adelaide were sniffing round when he was only 16.

... and us about yours.

Surprised no-one has quoted one of the best in the business, Emma Q ... Emma Quayle ‏ @emmasq Why am I seeing Dees fans freaking out over what they'll pay for Viney? The season has barely started. He could well be worth top three. Emma Quayle ‏ @emmasq Viney strikes as a "safe" pick but so did M Murphy. Talented player, aggressive, brilliant, professional attitude, 2 years of prep #relax

There's nothing stopping you looking optimistically into the future. You don't need a Casey thread to help you in that regard.

What's honest about mindless player abuse? And why not give us some examples of the 'hey boys lose by as much as you want we love you anyway hurrah!' types. I can't say I read every post on every thread here, but where on this site has anyone ever said that? Be good for you to back up some of what you're posting. As if it matters.

The more we play Cale, the less likely it is we'll trade him. Amongst the best last 2 weeks, coming on nicely. An uninterrupted pre-season or two wouldn't hurt him though ...

FFS, we lost to Brisbane, Bulldogs and Richmond last year, the Swans game was a one-off that we couldn't even repeat in 2011, we only had two 10 goal wins over "crap" teams (Adelaide and GC), and we were thrashed from pillar to post by every team that mattered, including the infamous and record-breaking 186. We lost 6 out of the last 7 games last year, and are just continuing on, albeit struggling with a whole new FD, game plan etc. etc. On top of that, we haven't been able to get the same team on the park that were involved in those wins, and more importantly, the same leading players. (I posted on another thread - re the Richmond game last year, we have something like 6 out of the 9 highest possession getters out). People see what they want to see

Insect repellant?

You already seem pretty livid, but I'd suggest that if you're looking for the Viney situation to alleviate that, you'll be waiting in vain. First up, there's no real "market". Teams select who they want/need, where they can. Even within the top 10 or so, players move up/down all the time, and there are countless example of top-10 rated certainties who drop half a dozen places - and outsiders who jump up. But because Viney is already a Melbourne player, we're never going to get any kind of "normal" rating on him. He's not going through the normal channels, is playing school footy, his load is being managed etc. He's being set up for round 1 next year, not for the draft, and I suspect that that will effect the assessment of him by others, even so-called experts. We've obviously done our homework, we clearly feel that we're getting one of the very best young players going, and I for one don't have a problem with any of it. As for the other picks, exciting times. Even our second round selection will be worth watching - and I'm sure much debate on Demonland.

There is no risk, except the one that you and others keep fabricating. We'll take Viney. End of story. At least one of the clubs lower than us will nominate him, just to make sure we don't get a bonus in the second round, and in full knowledge that we'll take him first round if we have to. Viney is already effectively a Melbourne player, and any other scenario is just straight from fantasyland.

We were not better last year. And a list is irrelevant if those players aren't available to play.

Define "best player". PS Thanks for your eloquent response.