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Because if they wait another year, he can leave under FA and they risk receiving less (or no) compensation. His "go home" factor seems fairly strong. Also, they've taken a hammering with the loss of draft picks for 2012 and 2013, so there's a bit of a "lost generation" there, which they could help fill with another high pick, plus perhaps someone decent from the years they missed out (e.g. Toumpas). As an aside, I'd be disappointed to see Jimmy T leave - still early days for him, and he didn't go pick 4 for nothing. But ...

Examples?

I don't see it's that different to any normal court proceedings. First you get charged, then there's discovery where you see the evidence, then there's the actual court case when you get to challenge the evidence.

Not all - I have a couple of bombers acquaintances who are seething at the club's actions in response to what happened. On the other hand, much of what you see posted around the net leaves me gobsmacked. e.g. there are plenty still pedalling the "no positive test results, therefore they must be innocent" line.

... especially when he's been telling us all along that they didn't take anything they shouldn't have.

A few leaks in the dam wall perhaps: New push to dump James Hird from Essendon could see him sacked before Christmas As a view into how far off in Alice-in-Wonderland the Essendon Board and admin are, I particularly liked: "One of the 34 players issued a show cause notice told the Sunday Herald Sun that he was led to believe that the club would be certain to win its Federal Court case against ASADA and the notices would be set aside permanently."

But it's fairly true to form for Collingwood: Jolly, Q Lynch, Ben Hudson ... they like picking up mature-age talls. Also, both Saints and Dogs have a lot of younger players, and possibly don't want Mitch around.

That's just ridiculous. What, prey tell, could Mahoney have put into the separation agreement that would have avoided the current situation? At the end of the day, you can't make players stay, contract or not - look at Paddy Ryder. Not forgetting either, Mitch is contracted with us till the end of this year. If he feels up to playing, and isn't turning up at AAMI Park each day to get started on his preparation, that says a lot about Mitch, but not much about Mahoney or the club. But further to all that ... you're presuming that this is playing out in a way that is against the club's wishes and thus out of their control (or as you put it, down to their incompetence). I for one would suggest that that isn't the case, and that at end of the day, we don't want someone like Mitch Clark around the club. After all, here's a guy that's only in his mid-20's, and has already burnt 3 clubs (that includes Freemantle ... Lyon's comments say a lot as to what happened there). Collingwood think they can handle him. Arrogance or ignorance, but they can have him.

Perhaps, but even with a broken leg you can go to three doctors and get three opinions. IOW, Mitch can get (good) advice to support whatever cause of action he wants to follow. Stand by the a) there's more going on here than we know about and b) Mitch and his manager want more money than what we were prepared to offer.

Then they need to make their voices heard - there's still plenty of "we'll fight them in the trenches" talk around.

How anyone who hasn't been coached by Goodwin (or knows his coaching capabilities) can comment one way or another is beyond me. Process has been conducted with appropriate thoroughness by smart and experience people, including Roos - who, let's remember, put a premiership coach in place at the Swans. If it's good enough for Roos/Viney/Jackson/Bartlett, good enough for me.

Good to hear, because you even have your own site: http://www.notracistbut.com/tagged/wtf

And lost his right-hand-man and experienced second-in-command in Dean Bailey, first through suspension, then through cancer.

With Sanderson gone, presumably Dangerfield stays - surely that was the point of the exercise from the Crows' POV?

I don't know ... would the Crows go down the 'inexperienced' coach route just after sacking the last one? I get it that Goodwin is a favourite son, but especially if there are issues with senior players, surely they need a "senior" coach? Let's remember that Goodwin was still going to have 2 years under Roos before taking over at Melbourne. Too soon?

You would think so, even a few Adelaide supporters suggesting the same. But who else? Tudor? Was seriously in the running last time round if the rumours are true. Watch this space, especially if McKenna joins him.

Didn't see that coming, but why would I. So, re my post above, out of 4 coaches hired in 2011, only survivor is McCartney. As an assistant would make you think twice about going for the top job.

Interesting if true. That whole generation of coaches who were hired 3 years back: Neeld, Watters, Sanderson ... perhaps not working out as planned? The only one from that year who seems to be the real deal is McCartney, and he was probably the least fashionable/credentialed of any of them. Just goes to show how hard it is to predict how coaches will turn out, though perhaps confirms that the best ones serve a long apprenticeship. Usually.

Barry Prendergast trying to salvage his reputation?

If we get anything equivalent to round 3 for Clark, we'll be doing well. If we even get a couple of clubs interested, we'll be doing well. The situation is the same as with any sale. It's the buyer who sets the price, and in Mitch's case, with his history and things as they are, he's just not worth much. Lumumba on the other hand, is a reliable and consistent first 22 player, and as such, a solid second rounder. Computer says no.

With posts like yours, given the choice, I'd take Greece any day.

You're the one making assumptions.

Agree, but it's probably what he's interested in.

Agree, and just worth emphasising the "past experience" bit. History shows that clubs have been more, not less conservative in nominating father/sons for the reasons outlined above. There's no precedent for "they'll nominate him to force our hand" scenarios outlined here, and in spite of everything written, hard to see him as a first round pick, even late first round.

Needs to find his feet. Coming into Neeld-led Melbourne hasn't helped, especially for a young guy who's (at the moment) very much a confidence player. Pity he had injury/sickness problems this year - they've obviously held him back, and it must have been a frustrating season for Jimmy with the expectations he has of himself. In reality, when you look at his stats and history over his first 2 years, not dissimilar to one Dom Tyson. Patience people. Let him get on with it. He's the least of our worries.