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It's not so much dropping players that bothers me, it's just that I think we should take note of where we might be vulnerable against whoever we're playing and select accordingly. This week we are vulnerable to the height of Kreuzer, O'hAilpin & Jacobs near goals, and very vulnerable when Jamar needs a rest. If Ratten's smart he won't put Kreuzer against Jamar, he'll leave him up forward where he'll be dangerous, and put him in the ruck when Jamar's resting. He'll be able to give that midfield an armchair ride for 10 minutes a quarter against whoever we put against him (Miller? Sylvia?).

That's the "big risk" - we've left ourselves one tall too short, and if they can exploit that, we'll be in big trouble because we have nothing to counter it either around goals or on the ball. This is one we could definitely win IMO, all other things being equal, but I'm concerned about the size of the hole we've left.

Can some confirm for me - was it the 5th or 6th Carlton goal of the first quarter where Sylvia lined up on Kruezer at the bounce? Carlton scored a goal within 30 seconds. Next bounce - back comes Jamar.

The poor Russian. He's got no support; he knows he has to ruck all day. I thought he did well against 2 taller opponents and he took a few marks in the backline. He also gave away too many frees but that can happen with ruckwork and umpires interpretations.

At the moment there is no-one who can fill that second ruck spot, with Spencer, Meesan and Gawn Injured, Martin and PJ out of form, and Fitzpatrick not ready. Maybe Miller is an option. Try something different with him instead of leaving him as a forward who gets 6 touches for the day.

Before we jump on the players for losing a key match, let's compare the result to round 21 last year when we were beaten by the Blues at Etihad stadium. From memory the difference in that match was 49 points compared to 41 today, so initially it looks like we haven't made much progress.

We were never in the hunt in that match last year. Today, we got back to within 19 points after stupidly giving up a 5 goal start. Ratten read the riot act to Carlton at 3/4 time and they went flat out to finish us off in the last quarter.

We ARE getting better, despite playing a bunch of 1st and 2nd year players who will get pushed out of the contest and make the usual mistakes that L plate players make. Carlton are about 2-3 years ahead of us at the moment, and it showed today.

we're probably lucky we only lost by 54 points. We were about 100 posessions down on our usual average. Clearly the Darwin trip affected their run. Someone mentioned that no club has ever played in Darwin and won the next week.

Look at Port Adelaide. We we played the best team in the land on their home turf; they played at home to the bottom team and got done.

The game is faster than ever; as soon as you mark the ball you gotta move it. Lots of favourites have gone down this year, indicating that it is very difficult for clubs to maintain that intensity week after week. More so for Melbourne with our batch of youngsters so i can live with yesterdays loss.

Next week - that's different. A good result against Carlton means a big crowd on Queens birthday. The blues and Brock Mclean. This has to be our biggest game of the year.

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It's raining. Heavy conditions. More good reasons to rest 3 teenagers after a tough road trip. We did the same with Benny and the Jet last year, and resting 1/2 their side against Brisbane didn't prevent Geelong from winning the flag. We have a very tough draw with 3 top opponents in a row followed by 4 road trips in 9 weeks.

Give them a full pre-season before asking them to play 22 games and 4 NAB matches.

Bailey said that Tom and Jack were never going to play all 22 games, so if they don't get injured then they have to be 'de-selected'.

Maybe the club could have chosen it's word better. Instead of 'rested' they could have used 'general soreness' (warnock) or the old favourite 'back injury'. It works for Spencer.

Great article and totally agree. We paid the price for being successful just before the advent of TV. We don't even have the TV replay of our last grand final. There is a copy of every grand final telecast since 1963 except ours. How many times have they shown St Kilda's 66 GF win? All we have is a grainy movietone newsreel with a tony charlton voiceover.

Richmond has their period in the '60s and '70s and Francis Bourke. Carlton followed with Bruce Doull. Don Williams was a star too and should get recognised for his efforts.

I like the other names mentioned too, Mcmahon and Spencer and the rest, but there is one glaring omission. Where's Bernie Massey? No 37 and full back in the '64 premiership side. Bernie - come on down!

Miller and Watts give us 2 tall mobile forwards and Miller provides good protection for Watts from loonies like NMs Scott Thompson. They can line up in the key positions and move Bate to the flank. The three can then mix and match during the game. They will also push Jurrah out to another flank when he returns.

Watts may be a blessing in disguise for MIller , whose career was looking grim after round one. Watts needs a mentor and protector for the next 2-3 years while he builds up his body and engine. Miller could be our best option.

That was a F@#$%ing top effort to win in that heat.

The Bentleigh Club was great We helped the boys get home.

Go Demons.....

Terrific support shown at the Bentleigh club, despite the funny screen. it was v difficult to read the players names, and the timeclock was all over the place.

Next week - Geelong at skilled. EASY!!! got 'em where we want 'em!

One down (Brisbane)..Two to go. And we achieved our goal for exceptional performance after only 5 games!!!

Is it now two down and one to go? Or does the darwin game not count as an interstate game because it was our home game?

Warnock has to come back, for either rivers or garland. i'd say Rivers.

We need someone to support Jamar (great effort tonight). Lets try Spencer in the ruck and Jamar up forward, same as the Carlton match last year. It's only the Cats at Geelong, lets try it.

If Bate is fit we also can bring him back, possibly for wonna. They may also drop Garland for a ruckman, but Garland will be a long term player. It's very hard to reach top form without a decent pre-season.

Maybe Gysberts in to give McKenzie or Scully a rest, however i think Gysberts will play his 1st game against either Carlton or Collingwood, as both games are at the G.

/Play fit players only please.

Are you referring to Wonna. I thought he was underdone, but great goal in the 3rd. All the brothers played well, esp Benny and the Jet.

so close ...so stuffed.

If it's wet Spencer would be no good. Actually if its dry the same applies.

I hope Aussie is fit and right to go and they aren't just putting him in because of the whole Darwin thing. But it's good to see him back as I feel he is one player we have missed. the crumber around the ball.

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Aussie was clearly picked because of the Darwin-Tiwi Islands connection. I hope this isn't a case of the marketing department influencing the coaching department. Jetta and Maric are fitter; they have better recent form in Casey and can fill that small forward role for the side. I'm glad Aussie's back but bring him back when he's ready, not because he grew up near Darwin oval.

Spencer? Can't mark can't kick. Maybe he's there because Jamar needs a break. MacDonald played well last week but he's keeping Strauss out of the team.

To the MFC - be prepared to make changes to suit the conditions, unlike the footscray match where we left PJ in the team. Go Dees!

A lot of our angst is about our perceptions of the opposition. We don't rate West Coast as a side so we get angry when they beat us. They probably are a crappy team; just as crappy as Essendon, North, the Swans, and all the other teams that will make up the middle of the ladder this year. Doesn't mean they are easybeats. They are a wealthy professional club with some very good players

We had the same number of critical errors yesterday as Geelong but they seem to cover their mistakes. We play a free flowing high possession game that looks great when it comes off and looks worse than dreadful when it fails.

We will have days when we take it to the top sides, then struggle to beat the other crappy teams in the comp. I prefer to see these peaks and troughs because it shows we can play good football at times, and we can remove the inconsistency with experience. We picked 5 guys yesterday with < 10 games and we were unbalanced with injuries during the match.

I thought the backline was OK yesterday when defending the west coast attacks. True they should have kicked more, Kennedy was injured and La Cras is a handful for any side, however holding a side to 10 goals from 59 forward entries is not a bad effort. But our kickouts!! Oh god do we have a plan here? Contrast with West Coast who waited...and waited... and still found a target. Our tackle count (51) was also well down on the good weeks.

If yesterday was bad, think back to 2008 when we lost 7 games by > 75 points.

West coast did their homework. the clogged us up the middle and locked us in at the kickout. Can anyone remember one instance where we cleared the ball from the kickout to the forward zone in one passage of play? They did it 3-4 times. This is not a call for the coach or coaching staff to be sacked, but we were outcoached today.

Garland will be a much better player when he gets a full pre-season behind him. He missed far too much football in the last 13 months, but he wasn't the worst today. A special mention to Jordie, who kept up his tackling average. At least HE didn't turn the ball over. And Jamar took on both Cox and NNN all day, never stopped trying.

Will someone tell me why we stopped running? Our work rate off the ball was terrible.

Bate was injured too . did ankle in the first quarter. Davey had concussion in the second. Casey had a big win so there could be some changes...hopefully Gysberts. Wonna kicked a couple and they me pick him for his 'home town' match in Darwin.

This is a big match for the Dees. We lose today, and we face 4 tough teams in a row...it's possible we could be in the middle of a 7 match losing streak.

We need a win to show we are still improving from the last 3 years and we play a team that flew from Perth to thrash us at Casey in March. Davey, Bruce and Bate where underdone in that match, and we lost Sylvia in the first Q (sunstroke).

One of the better players for the Wiggles that day was Ashley Hansen. He's picked as an emergency and is very good form in the WAFL. He could front up at the expense of Lynch or McKinley, otherwise their forward line could be too top heavy with these 3 guys plus Josh Kennedy and the two ruckmen.

I think we're a good chance providing we stop allowing the opposition to score the first goal in each quarter! Go Dees.

This is ironic. If we had won that round 19 match last year against the tigers, and all the other results stayed the same, they would have finished on 4 1/2 games; we would have won 5 for the season, and they would have picked Scully as No 1 draft pick.

I count 16 Melbourne list players. And we still have Jurrah, Blease, Tapscott, Petterd, Fitzpatrick and Gawn to return from injury.

As Morton found out this week, it's very tough to get into the senior team at the moment.

The exception might be Garland. He had a very interrupted 2009 and pre season and missed all the NAB matches, yet he jumped into the firsts after a couple of practice matches with Casey. The club must have a very high opinion of him.

Looks like we've kept the team balance by replacing a tallish forward with a tall forward, and retained PJ to support Jamar.

Sorry that Gysberts wasn't selected for his first match, But that would gives us 6 players with < 8 games each. He must be on track for a game in the next 2-3 weeks.

Not a bad idea to keep Rivers for this week. I suspect that the wiggles will pull a late change on Saturday afternoon, bringing in Ashley Hansen. He did very well against us in the NAB challenge match at Casey, and has good form with 14 goals in his last 2 games at the WAFL. Glass is carrying an injury and may be the guy that pulls out, so the wiggles may have to reshuffle their defence.

Kerr, Embley and Masten are injured or suspended and missing from their midfield. This could be their weakness on Saturday.

Jordie Mac - have a blinder and pick up another NAB rising star nomination for the Dees!!

Years ago the Hawthorn recuiting manager came up to coach John Kennedy and said "John, we've got this great kid. He 18yo, 6 ft 4, he's fast and he can jump a mile". And Kennedy replied "great, but can he play football?".

Watts can certainly play football. He is quick, has good hands, good vision, and can kick a ball. He scored with a set shot from outside 50 (light cross winds) and in the 4th quarter he ran out from the casey goal, gathered the ball in a contest, and had the smarts to handball to a player running past him in a better position, setting up another goal.

He probably needs to work on the defensive part of his game, esp the chasing and tackling. He let his opponent run loose for an uncontested possession in the last quarter. At other times he was bottom of the pack working hard to hit a target.

He might not be a lead and mark forward like Dunstall or Plugger, and he may not have the aggression of Carey or Dermott. He's a different type, and could be the new model for forwards in the next 10 years - smooth and mobile, sitting up as many goals as he scores. No need to rush him.

He's one of the most couragous players i've seen, but he's not stupid. He'll take a hit to the body to protect the head.

He's been clobbered every week and he just gets up and keeps going. and oh those hands are fast.

Well done Danny. Terrific news. I saw him last year in Jack Watt's first game for Casey and thought he looked ok.

Have a look at his 'mark of the century' on u-tube. They had to choose b/w Hughes and Miller so I'm glad they went for the untried player.

On one hand, he's done enough to keep his place on the list, and his return will be anticipated greatly.

On the other hand, if he IS on the way to GC, the compensatory pick we would have gotten after 22 rounds of him would have been a lot better than whatever they'd give us now.

If it's the second scenario, we lose. BIG time.

Memo to Number 15 for Melbourne FC: 'Ricky... don't lose that number'. Stay at the Dees next year.

ATM we are VERY young and VERY inexperienced. This season is still about development of our team. As Bailey has expressed ad nauseum, we need our youngsters to play games and play games TOGETHER

For that reason, Grimes, Frawley, Garland, Morton, Watts, Bennel, McKenzie, Scully, Trengove, Bail etc should be played every single game they are available to play (i.e. properly fit to play). That should be the case, EVEN if guyz like Dunn, PJ, Daniel Bell, Miller or Newton would offer more onfield in the short time. The benefits of these guys allowing us to be more competitive are nothing to the benefits of getting games into our young guys.

We certainly have a young list. I just don't think we are picking a young side. Yesterday we had only 3 guys under 20yo; North had 4.

Scott's point after the match was that North had 10 guys who've played 25 games or less. If we used this measure to select the side, we could have also picked Watts, Cheney, Jetta, Spencer, and Strauss from the list of available players (to join Grimes, Garland, Bennell, Trengove, and Scully).

Let's say Watts and Co. replaced Petterd, Joelmac, Bruce, Martin and Rivers. Would this lineup give us a better chance against the Bulldogs on Friday night? Or would we increase the chance of getting hammered like richmond?

I'd currently prefer to see us go for youth. We also have another 5-6 players such as Gysberts, Wonna, Blease, Maric, and McNamara who all played for Casey this weekend, and are all under 25 games experience.

However, if we pick a team with 10 players under 25 games experience, and we lose the next 5 games by 50 points a game, i probably would wimp it and bring back the oldies.