Akum

42 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Dodoro was fair with us in Melksham and Hibberd deals. And in the Carlisle deal with the Saints too, it was the Saints going too hard there.

If by "fair" you mean he didn't do his favourite trick of holding up other deals by dragging them out all the way through trade week. I thought the general opinion here at the time was that we'd given overs for both, especially Melksham, though I suppose we had to go with the picks we had.

1 hour ago, rjay said:

After a quick read through it seems an old favourite (with a new name) has jumped up with the latest plausible information claiming it to be a scoop and from inside information.

Hmmmmmmmm

Now let me see, we've had the inside running on Lever for a while now & a reliable poster has confirmed that. So lets make that a scoop, use a later media story for reference on the time line.

Gaff's name has been thrown around a bit so lets take a punt on that and if it doesn't come through we can always use the Eagles wouldn't release him from his contract That should do the trick.

Mention a 3rd player, don't know the name despite the inside word. This is a no lose, we are certain to trade someone in so whoever it is can be the unknown 3rd man.

...and if all fails, it's just gossip.

Yeah maybe.

Trouble is, at this stage of the season with finals still on (in which Lever & Gaff are still playing), nobody at either club can predict (let alone guarantee) the final outcome. Even if this poster had got their info direct from Todd Viney himself, all they can tell us is the current state of play at Week 2 of the finals.

It's just too easy to be robotically skeptical about every post like this. To me, the scenario this poster put forward is the most plausible statement of both sides' opening negotiating positions that I've yet read anywhere. If it is true, as well as showing a lot of mutual respect, it shows good faith in that we don't intend to underpay for Lever. But we will work hard to preserve the 2018 R1 pick, perhaps to use on Gaff (for whom we also don't want to underpay). This is consistent with what other posters with a more established record have said, but his post goes further by pointing to how we might actually pull it off without selling the farm.

So to me plausible, though of course "plausible" isn't the same as "true". It's possible to take stuff like this at face value and with a grain of salt at the same time - at face value because it fits what we do know, it's plausible and it adds a little bit extra to what we know; and with a grain of salt because it's so early and because it's obvious that there's no way of telling how it will end up. In other words, while I think it's a plausible account of where things might be at this stage, we all know it means little or nothing to the final result (and maybe we will have to sell more of the farm than we'd like to)

Can we just express our doubts without needing to take the poster down? 

Adelaide's second rounder this year is going to be well into the mid-30s of what by all accounts is a very shallow draft past the first handful. Unless we really want, say, Bayley Fritsch and their end-of-second-rounder is what gives him to us.

2018 is supposed to be a much deeper draft, so perhaps more of a chance of your "Sloanes & Fyffes" next year than this year. 

24 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

Terrible result for us, shocking result for a Victorian kid out of contract that Adelaide cant fit inside there rates of pay. Adelaide are going to whine and moan for the sake of their supporters but at the end of the day they are not going to knock back a top 5 pick for Lever. 

Adelaide's supporters may whine & moan, but I'd say that over a number of years Adelaide has been as pragmatic as a club could possibly have been about trading out top-end talent who want to move. Unlike the AFL, they seem to actually value their integrity.

1 hour ago, DaveyDee said:

What Stringer "done" is common knowledge, he is human after all. Letting your personal life effect your working life is a common day occurrence. 

Maybe. My understanding is that it's a lot more corrosive and widespread than just a simple misdemeanour. Again, nothing specific, just an overall impression.

1 hour ago, DaveyDee said:

I trust BMac either way. 

Interesting.

1 hour ago, DemonAndrew said:

it is interesting that we're not even in the convo for him, it would seem

I'd hope our ex-Dogs contingent have enough good contacts at the Dogs to advise us to keep well away.

13 hours ago, Sigil said:

I find it a bit strange that a club would telegraph it that openly.

My mail is that it's targeted at their western suburbs fan base. They're giving them the message that their internal rumblings in the latter part of the season are all traced to one source, which they're now dealing with. Just like they did the last time something similar happened.

Reading between the lines, the club could have been a bit concerned by certain journos pushing that Stringer is just the tip of the iceberg. Their message is, in effect, that Stringer is the iceberg.

This, by the way, is without knowing anything about what Stringer is supposed to have done. But whatever is was, it apparently had a really corrosive effect.

On 12 September 2017 at 6:12 PM, Lord Travis said:

Sad end to the career of Trengove. His first few years were great and showed such promise, to the point he was made the youngest AFL captain in AFL history. He was neck and neck with Dustin Martin for the first few years, but then injuries ruined him. Supremely talented player, cross between Jimmy Bartel and James Hird. A friend of mine who's currently an assistant coach of another AFL club said he was viewed by most clubs as one of the best young talents in decades, leadership, skill, bravery, he was the full panache. Shame to see his body let him down and prevent him from fulfilling his potential.

Thanks for all the hard work Trenners. 

Great post. Too easy to forget how damn good he was in 2010 & 2011.

What struck me about Trengove in his early days was his sheer footy intelligence for such a young player. He so often seemed to be in the right spot at the right time, or was able when in heavy traffic to hit up the teammate in space. This stood out in that game against Port in Darwin where he alone out of all the much more experienced players (& coaches) fully grasped the situation at the end of the game. At a stoppage near goal when scores were level, he went third man up to hit it through for a point (both of which you could do at the time) and got us an unlikely win. 

There was another game, I think it was against Essendon, where we had been several goals behind but came back in the third quarter and beginning of the last. Watts had the ball on the wing, kicking into a congested forward line and Trengove timed his lead into space perfectly, then drilled a difficult set shot to put our noses in front. I think Essendon seized back the initiative and won in the end, but just that characteristic of being in the right place at the right time and executing a difficult task at a critical point in the game was just so typical of Trengove in his first & second years.

I always hoped that maybe this level of footy smarts might overcome the constraints of his injury, but those constraints were too great in the end. 

On ‎5‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 7:31 PM, rpfc said:

Big lump, played forward in the U/19 Rising Stars comp and killed it, playing against me in the NEAFL they shifted him back.

 

On ‎6‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 7:10 PM, rpfc said:

*played against men in the NEAFL and they shifted him back

TOTY (Typo of the year)

16 minutes ago, Dockett 32 said:

Jesus I'm in a quandary . Normally would  agree with the anger and fire but there was only a very questionable s..t free in it.

Going soft perhaps but  understand Koch's frustration.

In the end Port didn't have the best and most committed 22 players. 

Like us they will have to work out  those who didn't die for the cause and [censored] them off. 

Want to have a bloody good reason for 2nd chances IMO. Past behaviour normally a good indicated of future behaviour.

WCE didn't get a goal for over an hour. Twice Port got 2 goals plus in front and choked. They had the game won twice and basically gave it away both times, and at home.

Not only Dixon, but their skipper Boak missed three very gettable goals in the last half, and Wingard missed two. Leaders.

I'd be pretty dirty too.

On 9/9/2017 at 11:45 PM, Demon77 said:

I'm shattered now, just read the Crows club board on big footy and someone posted that Lever was showing off his new toy on twitter.

A coffee machine.

Big commitment, can't see him coming now.

Obviously going into partnership with Max.

13 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

Given the game situation I'm not sure why people are having a go at Shuey. He played the situation perfectly, also a normal speed I can understand why the free was given.

If that was any Dees player I would want him to do the same thing.

I think it's fitting that one of the lowest standard games of the year was decided by the type of umpiring decision that's making an absolute mess of the game. This was an embarrassment that both teams deserved to lose.

Which makes it hurt all the more.

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

Yeah bm ... there's a lot of over-the-top comments made about schoolboy footballers.  I take it all with a grain of salt. 

The first thing I noticed about the lad (when he first played in the seniors) was that he was trying to take chest marks instead of having his hands outstretched in front.   At AFL level,  a KPF has got to be trying to mark the ball at it's highest spot.

He's better now but he's a ways off.  Because of where he went in the draft he'll get more time.  Also, the MC will know more than we could possibly know.  

I also think that the way we move the ball forward is terrible for tall forwards. We don't seem to have grasped the notion of "kicking it to advantage" or "kicking it to your teammate's side of the contest".

And we seem to discourage them from leading, either because we can't hit them when we do, or it's coaches' instructions to bomb the ball on to their heads. When we get the ball in the middle of the ground, it's far too easy for oppo defenders to predict what we're going to do. So they don't get drawn away by anybody who leads or who's on their own out wide. They just double- or triple-team Hogan or Watts or Weid or whoever, and defend the high bomb with ease.

One-on-one, Hogan is one of the best contested marks in the comp. Two-on-one or three-on-one, he's got just as little chance as everybody else. Weid's got no chance until we start to move the ball better.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Richmond proved tonight that if you continue to add to the midfield brigade with more depth in Prestia and Caddy then top 4 is not out of reach.

We add Gaff and we'll be easily top 8 maybe pushing top 4.

Do whatever it takes Dees!

I think it's more that Prestia & Caddy being first-hands-on-the-ball-at-stoppages allows Dusty & Cotchin to be the mids who take the ball away from clearances (instead of at the bottom of packs trying to get it out) and therefore much more damaging.

I'd like to see us think about it a bit more and use Oliver & Petracca (who use the ball by foot much better than Tyson / Viney / Jones) in the same way as Dusty & Cotch.

15 hours ago, Chook in Perth said:

Lever has met with both Melbourne and Collingwood.

One meeting went very well. The other didn't.

Funny how we all assume it must be our meeting that went well, because Collingwood.

2 minutes ago, puntkick said:

Geeze I heard if Stringer stays then JJ has to get a new hairdresser

Now JJ stays on a new   contract then Stringer has to get a ?

Yep. More likely Crameri stays.

If we lose Spencil & gain Jackson Trengove, that's a huge win right there.

2017 season should have been Spencil's last chance.

If Lever & Gaff truly are within our grasp, I can't see any way we could get them both without giving up this year's & next year's first rounders (and probably more). However, we'd be getting two players of proven first-round quality for two players of likely (but not proven) first-round quality. And both the two players that we get would be exactly what we need.

The risk is that we carry forward a three-year "hole" in our age profile, so that if in 5-7 years we're near the top but without a flag, we have an old list (like Norf's now) that would need a major overhaul again.

2 hours ago, BAMF said:

They would likely get a first round compo pick by waiting for him to be picked up as a free agent.

No way would pick 18 be enough

True, but if we offered next year's first rounder, it may end up being pick 18 anyway.

37 minutes ago, Wrecked Owl Dees Function said:

Someone proposed Crameri as a FA. Worth a look instead?

Apparently if Stringer stays, Crameri goes, and if Stringer goes, Crameri stays.

There are only two ways Jack will leave Melbourne:

(1) He gives the slightest twitch of a hint to anybody that he may be open to leaving. Clubs would take this to mean that his relationship with the club had broken down and lead them to believe that they could get him for massive unders.

(2) We delist him or refuse to renew his contract or tell him he won't get an AFL game no matter how well he plays for Casey. In which case we get nix.

The idea of "throwing him to the market and see what we get back" is hilarious. 

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Its an odd thing from my cheap seats. You get someone to give you an 'edge' but we appeared to have NONE. Quite the reverse at times.  Now this could also mean without him we would have been worse. ( god forbid )

or his value isnt that crash hot

or...i dunno...

Not sure Im seeing the benefit... I might need to get better seats !!

Seriously?

We were forced to improvise from the Cats game to the West Coast game and we improvised brilliantly with outstanding strategic thinking. It didn't just happen, and it wasn't just a run of lucky guesses.

Then from the Swans game on, all that enterprise disappeared. Either it dried up, or it still flowed but was ignored. We became rigid and predictable.

Or ... we didn't???

7 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Thanks akum

Given so many poor starts and some rather ineffectiveness during games im curious as to what his worth is. Maybe he had good input and no one listened !!

Some strategies certainly failed to consider locations and weather.

Certainly intriguing as to value for mine. Happy to be educated. 

Cheers

That's my fear too bub. That's what my Dogs guys believe happened. I hope they're wrong.

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Gaff is contracted until the end of 2018. 

Is he a free agent at the end of 2018? It makes sense to try to trade the year before his contract expires, if his club thinks he might walk.

OK, he's not the ideal, but he does have the right tools, and he may be a lot more gettable. Especially if we're forced to give a bit more to land Lever.

As my daughter might say, he's not Beyonce, but he's a good solid Kelly Rowland!