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Even if he ends up another Michie etc - so what? We're just as likely, or more, to get that player with the pick we used in the draft. There is literally only upside in this trade.

I don't think it's official until he's been on the Demonland podcast.

If we finish bottom 4, there will be plenty of other questions to be asked first! It becomes an interesting feedback loop when a trade for a player involves a future pick. The player in this case should improve our prospects for next year, thereby automatically devaluing the pick we're trading him for. And Adelaide will now be hexing us big time in the hope that its value grows, so it adds another dimension to the rivalry. Good times!

I'll let the remainder of the trade period play out before giving any thought to whether we should have held out or not. If pick 35 is on-traded, that points to there being value in getting the deal done quickly rather than holding everything up.

There's no way that could be allowed to happen again, surely. If that isn't draft tampering, then draft tampering isn't a thing.

I don't understand why it's a huge gamble. Surely MFC supporters would recognise it's the draft that is a gamble, not gun 21 year olds. We traded off lottery tickets for a known quantity. If someone said to you, "I'll give you a million dollars, or two tickets in to a draw to win 30 million", which one would you take?

Almost needs two threads. The "f yeah, we got him" and the "waaaaaaah, we paid overs". I'm in the former camp and don't really want my mood sullied by the latter.

Well I for one won't mourn the loss of draft picks when it's a known gun we're getting. Stoked!

Hey!

I did. Have been happily married for 12 years this year.

You can't tease me like that, faulty. I still got a notification that you had quoted me!

You mean they've shelved the Birdman? Dang.

Suspicious of players who never seem to establish themselves in their existing sides. Very few go on to become solid contributors elsewhere - the likes of Michie, Newton and so forth make me wary, although I accept Hartung is a much better player than those guys and has actually got some AFL runs on the board.

They've cracked the sads. That's all.

How are we supposed to get pick #1? It's just daft. Leigh is clearly past it.

As the story goes, Roos was a massive Lever fan - and the pick to be received for Trengove was earmarked for Lever. Lever would have been expecting to be a Melbourne player right up until the Richmond quack scuttled it. So I'd say we've been recruiting Lever since before he was drafted. Feels like the circle is somewhat complete with Lever arriving as Trengove goes, in a sad and "it's going to cost us about two more first round picks than it should have" kind of way.

Adelaide fans want to make Lever walk to the draft to "make a statement" to other clubs. That statement would be "if you won't pay our price, we're willing to accept nothing at all". I really get a kick out of how totally moronic people can get when it comes to their footy teams. Emotion has trumped all reason, and not in a good Titus way. There is absolutely no way Lever will make it to the draft. None.

Headline: Man goes to tip while packing up house to move interstate. FMD.

But surely for every fan who swallows that horse crap, there's another standing there going "whaaaaaaaa?" Maybe I'm just naive but I don't see what's wrong with just getting the job done without all the BS.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in Birdman's negotiations with the 9 clubs though. Burton: Jake Lever's coming to Vic. What are you offering? Other manager: Jog on idiot, we've been talking to his manager all year and we know he ain't coming here. Stop wasting our time.

I tell you what, if I was running the Adelaide Crows right now, I'd be raising some serious concerns over the competence of my general manager of footy. Lever informs club of his intention to go, and nominates Melbourne. Birdman Burton meets with Melbourne. Melbourne opens negotiations in good faith, offerings its first and second draft picks - currently the best currency it has Burton has the option of negotiating. No, Melbourne, we need two first round draft picks. It doesn't have to be 10, you can use that in other trades to get us our two. We would consider a 2018 first rounder as one if you can net one, or use your own. Get on the hunt and we'll talk... Instead, Burton just walks out without comment. Negotiations stall as a result. Neither club now have any idea what other avenues to start exploring. Lots of time leading up to trade week to go to waste as a result. Burton then stands in front of the media and carries on like a butthurt fan. It's all about the money, he says. Message to current Adelaide players: "don't come to us to try and get more money. And if you do and we try to screw you over, don't even think about leaving or we will besmirch your name to the best of our ability." Burton says, "we'll negotiate with the 9 other Victorian clubs as well, to get the best deal." For Christ sake Brett, no you won't. Lever wants to go to Melbourne. If you don't negotiate with Melbourne, Lever will walk and you'll get f*** all in return. Once you start being pricks about it, Lever will get to the point where he'll happily risk going to Brisbane or North just to p*** you off. Don't reckon Melbourne fans or administration wouldn't even blame him. You've got a good starting point for a deal on the table, but you'd prefer to risk it all, and do untold reputational damage to your own club, just to look good in front of your fans. Typical ex-footy player promoted well above his skill level. I'm so happy Josh Mahoney has grown in to the role that he has. I'd hate to see a hot-headed oaf in charge like they've got.

Crows fans have already started with the old "he's not even that good anyway". Sorry, he is.

TMac will surely play the Watts role, which both terrifies and excites me.

He should have OMac in there somewhere and TMac in the forward line, though, so he only gets half a point.

I thought Adelaide were just posturing with their demands of two first rounders, but now that I've seen Brett Burton's public man tantrum, I have zero expectation of them being reasonable trading partners. Wow, what an absolute tool.