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Is it connolly on sen now? Anyway he's saying Gibbs hasn't requested a trade. Australian saying gibbs has requested a trade.... haha gotta love this time of year.

I agree with you and what you've said. Couple of points i think needs to be considered First you need the list to win flags before you worry about payments. 800k if rumored is correct is not massive in todays terms. And lastly as a supporter i love hearing all the good (albeit unconfirmed news), but im not sure i like how public this lever news is with so long to go in the season. Things change quickly in afl

Depends on how the payments are structure - just as an example Lever might be front ended and Trac could end up being back ended. Also would love to have that problem where Trac is demanding that type of money. Would have had a massive 2018.... Who would be the Dees highest paid player??? Jones or Hogan or someone else? Approx 800k?? I can't see too many demanding big money right now

Solid info Cheers

Haha picket folded Never fold on the river @picket fence

- Tim Sheehan is reporting that Lever has told his teammates that he has committed to the Dees on big $$$ for 2018 Am going to giggle when this falls over - you'd think he (Lever) would wait until the Crows were out before making any decisions - and especially because don't the AFL rules say you can't commit until a certain date Sorry I cbf looking that date up - its around October when the players contracts expire.

I was commenting re teams changing structure and tactics in a response to jnrmac disagreent. I agree with what you've said @binman

Teams change set ups and styles all season. I'm not saying you have to believe it but to completely discredit it is silly. YOu can have your point on coaching falures etc I don't really care but strategies and set ups change in season. You could say good teams don't change - that would work for your point Notable game style changes Hawthorn rounds 1 - 7 v Hawks onwards The men in defence strategies etc etc

I said the exact same thing today at the game - Keep Tom away from the D50

I don't see this as an issue. The competition is the most even it's been in a long time. There are still floggings but not as many in recent times. We need to establish ourselves as a consistently good team. Which we havent done. Until that hapoens i don't expect us to [censored] many sides. Small steps

You can't throw a blanket of statistics over you're arguement. How about the final qtr on Saturday? I havent looked at the stats but from my eye i reckon we lost clearances and got beaten up around the ball. So your point is moot if im right, stats are general you need to be specific. You cant point at a trend for the yr and apply it to one game because it may not actually refect what happened. Goody and other media analysts have discussed this year how we play. If you can't discuss how the team plays and how that affects you're arguement it's a waste of time. Its very easy to say we were out marked and exposed on Saturday... and we were , you're 100% spot on. What ppl are trying to say is you can be a simpleton and focus on one area of the game or discuss the whloe situation not just the end result. For example did our turnovers creat their scoring opportunities or was it stoppages it was it just ben brown? It's really up to u. Maybe you just have no undestanding and thats ok too

Like a few have said.... you can't blame 6 players for defence now days. It's too simplistic of a discussion. The defenders and our game plan rely on pressure up field and all over the ground to stop defensive enteries/scores. Without pressure up feild they get exposed, which is what i think the op is pointing out. Im not trying to argue with u bb. Just pointing out it depends exactly what the op is saying depends on the response. If u try to understand the press and how goody wants us to play it, its not a back 6 issue per say. It's an 18 man team defence issue not just the back 6. But also i agree there is an issue with the back 6 size and experience wise. Im not saying the op is wrong My overall point is you can be critical but its harsh just to focus on the back 6. Especially considering how we play... defensive stats imo are misleading when analysising them individualy as it's a Team Defense not a traditional back 6 defence. I dont even think goody wants to stop specific players ie brown. He wants pressure to create turnovers and scoring opportunities. Goody knows teams will score and i don't think it's about stopping them. Its about us creating opportunity. Also if we lose clearences etc our game plan starts to get exposed which goes in line with ehat the op is saying but again it's a slightly different discussion and not a back 6 issue

Just for my own clarity... are you saying the back 6 are costing us games or it'sjust a weakness? Because i think both questions have 2 slightly different answers

And soft

I reckon it is in modern day footy..... ManDee Off the top of my head....Jordy lewis and was it Bernie in the 3rd coming out of defence and turning it over were coach killers.... So many poor decisions. Not coach or game plan related errors. As jnrmac has rightly pointed out there is a clear deficiency in defenve but on Saturday also there were a lot of self inflicted wounds. But it is fair to say brown was the difference. I also think our current gsmeplan isn't to stop every entry or shutdown the opposition key forwards. Like North Melbourne or Sydney. (It might be personal related i dont know the coaches thoughts/plan. Am only guessing) I think our game plan is to win contested possession and create pressure up field to create turnovers. We rely on getting first hands on the footy to win games. North tought us a lesson there in that last qtr. Not saying this is right or wrong but ii rekon stooping 1 player seems opposite to our current plan

Frawley might be on the outer at the hawks (unconfirmed) We would look at bringing him back since the hawks will be after picks?

Well I'll be buggered..... Still young will continue to make mistakes but doing well for a young kpp

General rules for posting trades on Footy Forums 1. Find uncontracted player 2. Is there a perceived need for player 3. Are they related to a current player 4. Post I have no idea if the Dees are interested in Towballs brother but it fits the criteria

Doesn't Sam Mitchell play off the back of the square for both the hawks and now wce? Isn't Mitchell regarded as one of the best stoppage clearance players in the league? Seems like it might be you who is the negative one.

Agree Stats are very mislesding. Getting 30 as an inside mid at a lower level with lots of stoppages doesn't necessarily teanslate well to etihad where there are less stoppages or the fast break game styles employed in the afl today

Wagner played on the weekend for Casey I believe but probably underdone, but I rate him (obviously). Fits in to our structure well

I almost spat out my chardonnay....

I know this is stating the obvious but, Regardless of the Pro EFC chest beating and investigation into ASADa it doesn't change the facts Easendon don't have records what they injected players with nor the fact ASADAs investigation was found legal in the high or supreme court (sorry for my ignorance) nor the fact they were found guilty in the swiss high court. Just sour grapes and im enjoying it. Personally im still waiting for james horss truth to come out that will prove essendon innocent......

100% Agree Not a flashy player but so clean and hard at the ball. If he can add some breakaway flare to his game he will become top 5 AFL material I just love watching him, he is so strong and clean in the contest, I haven't seen a Dees player like that in a long long time. I know Viney is hard but he's not as clean and as good with the ball as Clarry. Looking forward to watching him develop more again this year.... its going to be Huge

Interesting. Thanks DL5 I dont claim to be in thr know but i can't see the lions giving up pick 30 for Dunn who isn't even playing afl. Will be interesting to see how it plays out