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I agree with what you've said LH, i just want to add to the discussion Your criticism of Jacks public criticism is more then fair but i believe thoae you've criticised have every right to express an opinion about those who work.for them or work with them. Moving on Jack was always going to cause outrage with the faithful as JW is a ripping guy. I'm personally not as upset as others about the approach taken by those you've highlighted as I'm not emotionally attached to Jack. I reckon many of the faithful would have been equally upset if nothing was said, like you've implied should have been the approach. But it was a no win situation and a hard decision as has been put by the FD. It's no fault of JW but I'm assuming he doesn't dit thre style.of play Goody and the FD want to play. I enjoyed they opened some discussion as to the reasoning why the decision was made. Others didn't and that's fine. And it never escalated in to a mud flinging contest. The FD imo have every right to comment on how they want to run the show and what standards they require. After all isnt this part of the brave new AFL rights era and more access inside clubs?

Haha it's all good mate Bring in 2018 go dees

You need to know all the circumstances. Watts we put out to offer so playing hard ball like thr dogs, upsetting Connors wasnt really an option IMO Port were the only club really genuinely interested in Watts on the end, Port were also brining in players not selling so i don't know how you expected to get more value in one horse race. Lever you have more of a valid point but in the end the Gibbs deal wqs more expensive to.the Crows then the Lever deal so again I think your points not valid I think your making [censored] up because your upset and all the factors point to Mahoney being quiet competent. But it's your opinion and you want to run with it so all is good.

The drafts in November @picket fence

Has the Hogan trade gone through yet?

I heard it as well and thought the exact same thing. Kinda vindicated the decision from Goodwin IMO. There is zero doubt in my mind JW is a super bloke... But I'm more then happy to back the FD on this decision

Correct it's a valid point Just like when we were really crap we had to pay crap player big salaries because no one wanted to play for us and the AFL rules demanded you pay a % of the salary cap. You really need to look at the big picture.

Agree. Look at the news on the gibbs trade. Id rather Mahonet who gets the job done then squabble over late picks. Seems a waste Ive been harsh to a few on this thread but people need to move on from crap they don't agree with and don't understand. And anyone who thinks it's only Mahoneys decision alone also falls in to that boat above as being dumb

I dont know how you can pass such a harsh judgement without having intimate knowledge of the negotiations. So you eithet have no idea or are just bitter. In your analysis have you considered any of the following other factors? Ports position Jacks position Jacks management position? Because jacks manger also manages orher key mfc players Continued good relationship with Jack and his management? The ability ti get the Deal done? How many trades are in limbo due to poor negotiations at other clubs? I know you haven't and this conversation is a waste of time. Your position and arguement on Mahoney shows you have no idea. End

Hsha you've lost the plot. Troll on brother

Well if you know all these facts, then you should also know lever is worth 2 first rounds picks & JW had zero trade value regardless of the speculation. Maybe youd care to explain how we'd get a higher pick out of port which they didn't have? You are talking rubbish like i pointed out in my first reply to you and you haven't made anymore sense since. If your going to make statements like we dont know how to trade back then up with actual events not just your opinion because we've seen in the past few comments beteeen us you haven't been close to them

JW was completely different to the Lever trade. Lever is a 21 yo AA player. Equivalent to hogan in value. Your opinion is clearly based on emotions or you have no idea End

According to you. if hogan left, you're saying 2 first rd picks are too much for us to ask? Because that's what your saying. You either have no idea or are just making [censored] up to suit your butt hurt agenda 2nd rd pick is not a late pick. Im sick of dumb opinions

Bain (ballics manager) said it would be a late pick. But good humor lots of laughs

Forever sadly Its highly unlikely gc would trade pick 2 any. Its even more unlikely eith less the 48hrs to go hogan would suddenly request a trade

Players upset with the coach are nothing new for the mfc or any other club in the world. Goodwin will be judged on w & ls.... like every other coach

Bit rough on the young fella.... hahaha I assumed O Mac would take the mantle now? Agreed. It would have been nice to have a fairy tale but footy is full of sad endings unfortunately. Jack won't be the last

Haha fair enough mate, not meaning to be rude just for some of us life goes on.

Interesting These are the type of drafts really good recruiters pay dividends. Will still be an interesting Draft come November

Take your butt hurt to the JW thread

Don't bother mate, save the effort... There are some who aren't emotionally attached to Watts but the majority on here are. They can not see the forest from the trees.

what do you need confirmed @sue No one can give exact details on JWs contracts because those detail are not public But if reported is true that JW was only offered 500k for 2 seasons (so he took a pay cut) then pick 31 is more then fair value based on his contract. The rest is pure speculation. Good luck to JW by the way, good bloke. DId deserve better, but footy is a harsh business

Wow, so port only offered half his salary. Pick 31 is overs by the sound of that.

In fairness to watts bain said the dees were waiting to see what later picks they had for Ballic. But expects Ballic to be a Demon within 24hrs

Was Matt Bain On trade radio from stride sports. Ballic will be traded to dees Confirmed Hogan not going anywhere. Sorry @ding haha Was looking forward to some rumors