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Oh....all right....you've twisted my arm.. As someone who's lived in London at times...I can safely say this has never been tried ( NOT !!! )

do you even need to ask Iva....It's Daiquiri hour ....ALL Day !!

that surprises me with your appetite !!

yeppp...took me a few mins to figure that bit out... Is there any way of switching off the retention of the last reply Dland ? just asking

trya mango lassi....... esp with a nice curry

That's never stopped them inventing propaganda.

I couldn't keep up with IT these days as a job.. ( speaking as a past Systems Engineer..Novel, Microsoft, Unix , Mac) ..lol. You do a marvelous job Dland.

quoting is perilous atm. just check your cache...clear it possibly back to... I actually found that article as linked by Iva quite interesting...thanks Iva As a lay person though something jumped out at me. Given the "Rule of Law" overtones I think the article missed a rather salient point. There are rules of law, and there are rules of Sport..even so far as the Laws of Sport. These are often 'proprietary" in nature and not as per common laws. i.e Those running sport get to set the rules. You play that sport....you better abide by them. That in and of itself is an implied contract I would have thought. Happy to be educated

I find it quite fascinating that the Windy Hill mob have , it seems. finally learnt to shut the ...up. They seem to have muzzled their rent boys lest they utter something to agitate CAS. Wasn't that long ago Littleman couldn't help himself. Must have gotten very real all of a sudden. Bet they didn't see that coming....not really !!

I don't think there is. The Code, is a very misunderstood and misinterpreted tomb.

more the point you cant get the primaries without first establishing the secondaries... can we all see that ??

First bit is not necessary it's all good here. Right about the latter though

Its an interesting observation you make and may well suggest Goody will sneak through. Many won't

those that may want a refresher on the AFL charge sheet AFL charge sheet

And here lays another misconception that you too are perpetuating. No one needs to prove use. The WADA code emanates from the idea of 'intent"

Nice try Iva Youre saying the reason why WADA is doing this is simply because they think ASADA stuffed up. Again....they are doing it because they feel the AFL stuffed up. Thats why they are appealling. They also have an opinion of ASADA but thats not the motive for the action. Its a clear difference.

surely you jest.. you want me to go back through it all ?? But a precis....and only partial at that : Some is anecdotal...some refers to publicised text messages , some references to interviews and articles ..but as an amalgamation. Danks is the cornerstone. His clinic doesnt deal with Thymomodulin. Its quite well know for extolling the virtues of TB$ amongst other things. Danks was caught out admitting it was TB4 that Essendon were looking at his to use. Only when highlighted did he "kinda " change track Hird was known to be interested in these peptides. He is known to have had discussions with Charter about amongst various substances one being Thymosin ( the 'god ' one wink -wink ) Hird was even warned by the AFL about peptides including the use of TB4 Of the two better known variants of Thymosin , Thymomodulin does not need to be compounded. Most applications are topical and not subcutaneous . The usage ( i.e administering thereof ) of TB4 matches the injection timetable as derived from interviewing players and staff. EFC caught out with invoices for Thymosin , but later suggest either it wasnt an invoice meant for them or it was the wrong Thymosin !! Alavi was forwarded the ingredients via Charters to make the compound as prescribed by Danks. Danks later suggests it either wasnt the afore mentioned compound for the EFC or it was, but for someone else...or......or The Chinese companies mentioned as sources dont deal with Thymomodulin but DO deal with ingredients such as TB4 as well as masking agents Players exhibit all of the classic benefits of a TB4 program. When asked about what they believed they were taking players neglected ( and co-incedentally to a man , the same bullshlt story ) to mention the Thymosin injections, either by way of how many, how often or at all. The AFL even , managed to extract a list of many of the substances that EFC used but the EFC couldnt explain everything that the players ACTUALLY were injected with or indeed what some even were. The EFC cant prove that they used the 'safe' Thymosin not that there would have been any real advantage in having done so. TB4 is the 'good stuff" There is more .,thats just off the top of my head

They are purely your views Iva , as to evidence and how vague anything is. I would have thought the whole issue was actually quite focused and that there was much evidence. I sense WADA also thinks along these lines hence it's appeal. Now exactly what question of mine are you referring..and what answer ?

you realise that is the crux of the appeal. To establish to a comfortable satisfaction that the players received a banned substance i.e TB4. The current situation is actually predicated on the opinion by WADA that the AFL returned an incorrect finding. That WADA think ASADA could have done better is incidental but not the motive for their action. I'll leave discussion of WADA here...so the others can enjoy their unsullied Milkshakes happy to continue in the other thread

yeah...nah No significant fault ?? really youre right Iva...we read this all very differently Apart from anything else the corner stone of this defence goes to two particular things. .It was an incident in isolation and that they could not have reasonably been expected to know what they took. Firstly not only were there many injections per person but to multiple persons over an extended period of time. Secondly the players signed a form of waiver which purported to outline what they were to be jabbed with and as such the players had some knowledge that something was being introduced and in what manner. Not ..I had no bloody idea about anything. To make matters worse is the recent coming to light that the players deliberately withheld information. Not that they didnt know something, they didnt say so. This isnt how you co-operate with WADA

Which particular precedent regarding participants in a vast multi-thousand injection program over an extended time involving any number of banned substances would yo be referring to Iva?

Anyhow back to Jake...good bloke by all accounts

Im sorry Iva...that is not how WADA operates nor why. Wada's targets are cheats.. its pretty straight forward. As it happens Im quite interested to see how Milkshake might perform in a Demons side. I just don't expect it any time soon. Some will say that's just harping on.. Id reply with that's just reality. What point sticking head in sand.

we aren't allowed to discuss this cards it just brings people down !!

...you said it...you own it. I appreciate what the idea was in terms of the negativity towards Melksham and it is quite possible someone did indeed hate. But in the main it was dismay I would think that was the over riding sentiment. Hate..and Hero...two much misused words imho