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Book him in Danno !!

The idea of Hogan going is in the main preposterous. Its so far fetched its silly. The sheer magnitude of its ridiculousness makes it ideally suited to circus week. Crazy things happen. This qualifies. Am hoping it doesn't. I'll feel better at 2.01 on the 19th of next month.

My apologies. I misread your post.

its an interesting aspect. I left much of my frustrations about this lad back in the bin a few years ago having realised the #1 aspect was a bust , that he'd only ever be what he is and to just reboot anew my views on him. Since doing that i just see him as a decent role player with many skills lacking in half our team. That hes be asked at times to branch out far beyond his comfort zone and in the main responded well ( or above ) i feel warrants kudos. He is rather unique. He's still lambasted and lumped with the Pick 1 monicker and the sins of yesteryear just aren't forgiver by many. I rate him as a decent ancillary player. I can't imagine just what we'd get as value in return and so consider a trade as folly. Football Coaches and Departments have their favourites and their whipping boys. I sense the club is about to make a mistake. It wont be our first or last. Look where we are.

Strangley and I only mention this as you have: so it's a point of conversation, those elements have NEVER come into view about how I see Jack. I only care what ANY of them do on the ground. But I note your words and why they might be relevant to many. Cheers

As you would be if you think trading him is the wonder elixir. Its a team game where strangely individuals are singled out for pilloring. No man is an island...

Especially the first qtr...take note whos making efforts...who's not !!

@Redleg Not too long ago in a galaxy not far you considered it more beneficial should we continue to work with whats good about Jack and work on what isn't , that this was surely preferable . Still think that ? I'm just interested

Just a note TMac did play 6 more games. ( Milkshake 3 Trac 6 ) I do take in your points Red. I dont for one sec consider Jack without faults. Many others have too. Jeffy literally goes walkabout at times. He can vague in and out of games but what real critique do we see there. Maybe he should be accountable for all of a game , all season like Jack is ? Trac...a bear in the making is afforded more leeway yet application in a game is not really markedly any better..but he's young , so gets a pass. Jake going forward is a major win. Anyone who watches at a game can see the colossal amount of running and work Jack puts in. A lot of it goes unmentioned and dare I say not-honoured. Jack for any faults is probably the most likely player to be in the right spot at the right time. Hogan about the only one to give him a run for the money there. If I were a betting man Id wager his card was penciled in at seasons start....the texta was always poised. So be it. As a supporter of this Club Im not impressed but it will never matter what I think. We'd want to get more than a slab and a box of doritos in lieu !!

Nor probably should it R & B . The thing I possibly find most interesting is Jack for intents and purposes was having a pretty good year in 2017. He manfully took upon the role thrusted his way to stop gap at times for the great Max. He arguably, of the three, Pedo , Tmac and Jack carried off the role the best. It surprised many, possibly Jack himself the most. He often ISNT the bloke to go missing during game starts. He had an injury this year. Not alone there. His form suffered. Im not convinced ( and its only my opinion possibly but have seen a few others here voice similarly ) that he seemed somewhat proppy and unable to run full stride ( something HE is best at ) subsequent to his return. He for the most part answered his critics on the field, where in reality its where it matters. Granted...my opinion. I dont see the same rush to judgment let alone execution for the likes of Gawn who actually stood there at times NOT competing through frustration. I mean...fmd. But that's somehow excusable. Seldom have I ever seen the brain fades of the McDonalds, the Bernies the Frosts ever perpetrated by Watts. Jones must be right up there in terms of kicking to opponents...do we hear boo ?? Jack is far from the perfect player. He obviously doesnt fit the bluebrint of Goodwin/Mccartney/Viney( t) and Jones Watts for all and any faults is far from the worst at Melb. Many offer up...ah but look at what he has or hasnt done and thats a fair comment upon a career but his capacity to add to any team is what he can do RIGHT now and right now hes a decent player. I still feel that getting rid of Watts is going to hurt us. Its cutting off a nose to save someones face. I wish Jack well and good luck where ever. He's not gone ( yet ) but it only seems a matter of where/when, not if. Can't wait to see what we get.

who ever can....all the appeal of a train wreck meets Nightmare on Swan St !!

I dont see it as likely either if for the Lever/Hogan aspect. That is if thats all there really is to it. Its always been my concern that Hogan is EXACTLY what Lyon needs at Freo...and right now Freo have pick 5. Ive not the time right now to sit and work on a convoluted trade-around but Im not dismissing the idea out of hand. Not until 2.00pm on Thursday the19th

I think Richmond for all their efforts might have reached their Zenith last Sat. Im backing that the Crows can back up their efforts more favourably than Richmond. Im predicting a fairly heavily contested and even game for the first half, and for the first half of the 3rd before cracks start opening up. a kind of..I see your Rioli and raise you a Betts and a Cameron. I see your Dusty and Cotchin and call you with a Walker and a Sloane. Reiwoldt..or Jenkins. The giants couldn't block Richmond's run at the goals whilst the Pvssie Cats couln't penetrate Adelaide's wall. The two have only met the once this year. Richmond were in reasonable form and got hit my a Mack truck. The Toiges like to get off to a good start ( who doesnt ) but struggle if not comfortably on top into the second half ( if not just score but momentum ). A couple of exceptions to this through the year but as a trend Richmond will need to be 2-3 goals on top at half time...and even them against strong finishing sides cant rest for a second.. Rioli is in lethal form near goal but he'll have to get near it on Sat. Grimes playing possibly above his grade..good for him. Will need to sustain it Dusty is very clever with kicks to advantage near the sticks. Adelaide are very clever in cutting off the same said style of forward entries. Richmond might be full of 'don't argue" but Adelaide's just as likely to shirtfront that idea. Cracker of a game coming up

It would be staggering without doubt. Do you not think Dr Turf ( and brother ) just might have some handy lines of info ?

This is a very fair outlook. And I do await its outcome.

probably the same bloke who'd kicked the most goals and had most assists..probably

I wonder if he'll apply the same torch to BK, JKH, Bugg, Vince, Gawn, Wagner, Harmes, Salem, ANB, Stetch, Garlett ? He'd have to know them pretty well as well Jack's not without fault. He has a lot of team mates

You seem very deft of word to suggest that the furphy of injuries is a myth then admit that the season was marred by unacceptable losses. You want it both ways it seems. Without doubt injuries will colour the selection of players , but as the adage goes once you cross that line you play. This may be extended to, once they cross that line you COACH them. It would be foolish to suggest that injuries have no play in the seasons results, but they arent actually the major one. Its what happens on the ground by those on the ground that does. We had the opportunity to win games but didnt . In those instances it was poor coaching and a total disregard for location and circumstance that cost them. Those ON the ground were more than capable of attaining wins on those days but were poorly utilised. For the record I would be just as scorning and skeptical had it been Roos. I certainly made comments during his tenure to such effect So it's all about the injuries ??....but maybe the selection, maybe the structures, maybe the game style, maybe the weather ( or lack of attention to it )....day game instructions..kicking , hand-balling,,bombing or lowering eyes, guts or the lines etc. The two things you cant control on the day is injury (prior, or even during ) and the weather. Everything else IS the game and how you play/direct it. These things weren't done sufficiently well especially when a win was there for the taking. We will have to disagree. Funny though.I seldom hear a coach blame anything on injuries !! You are welcome to

Whilst those on the ground at Melbourne might well be right in belief tbat Jesse is unlikely to go anywhere it's only what they know. Who knows whats in the air ,sts, or what plans are unhatching. Only when trade week finishes on that 2.00pm gong and Hogan is still a Dee can anyone be 100% certain. Thats my take. I assume Nothing, anymore. It's 21c Footy.

Nor am I

On this , I seriously think Goodwin could become a very good coach. He's certainly shown a preparedness to design a style that can win ( all things going well on the day) as well as an ability to mix it up. His current status reminds me of a junior golfer learning to play the game, not just hit the ball. Often theyll not have a full bag of clubs but have an 'odd' assortment. You can know what you're doing and get beaten. You can also get beaten if not knowing enough. Far too early to judge him as a "golfer" but many of his games and club selection give rise to curiosity. This analogy also attends his style. He wants a no-nonsense persona to display and tends to no-nonsense participants. What often separates a good golfer from success is the ability to read the course and elements. So easy to stuff a Good Win with one slice or hook into the sand or shrubbery !! Might be an opportune moment for Simon to adjust his stance as well...eh what !!

In shock developments Tyson traded back to GWS under a little known 'warrantee clause' Dom left under no illusions as to Watt warranted that !

Wonder if he'll turn up ?

You premise much on the notion we'll score well from pushing out Jack. You might want to prepare for disappointment. Goody and Macca have an agenda. They should. Its what they do. Im seriously starting to question how sane that agenda is. We won't be getting a Hodge or a Mitchell, let alone both. Goody McCantwin just want him gone like Bevo wants Stringer out, then all will be right in the world !! History will judge.

I very much doubt it.