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Have no fear nor illusion...Casey is very transport focused. Even putting a fanciful Monorail form Cranbourne to Fountain Gate aside ( Homer theres a drivers job waiting !! ) the Council is very proactive in its attempts and vision to get 'things' moving.. and by things I mean , cars, people, and trains !! Last election the Incumbents were pretty sure of their position and so didnt do much at all about Transport.. I mean its not like its anything they know about..not their filed of expertise..but then what is !! ( arguably other lot arent much better) Next time we all go to bat on this Transport is much more the buz subject. This will be a politcal footy without doubt. Any extension or reactivation that can be done without Herculean efforts will be very attractive to sweeten the various local pies. Again I say..the easiest of all these is to Casey Fileds..even beyond . For any interested a very lateral submission to the recent Eddington public inquiry profered the idea of a connecting line utilising the Cranbourne extension to Clyde and then heading East to link up around the old Langwarrin site forming a outer ring to Frankston. Quite visionary I thought. Highly unlikely unfortunately but interesting. What is very much a realistictically achieved outcome is indeed to extend to Casey Fields. Rail is very much a Green alternative these days and back in favour.

I'll repost this here..as seems more relevent: Theres a very good chance both Y and W were on back ended contracts..as we wernt to flash currency wise a few years back. I mean ..we arent now..but worse then. Amounts may not reflect true seasonal worth..just this years payments. of course..could be entirely wrong !!

Theres a very good chance both Y and W were on back ended contracts..as we wernt to flash currency wise a few years back. I mean ..we arent now..but worse then. Amounts may not reflect true seasonal worth..just this years payments. of course..could be entirely wrong !!

why ?? what clash are you addresing ?

The Demon ..and a Clash Jumper..are two separate issues. Jimmy quite rightly wants the association of the club with its mascot/monicker ( whatever) reinstated..i.e Send MelbounreFC to its rightful place....the BIN !! Jimmy is also adamant that our colours are Red and Blue. Imust confess I did raise that very thing ( Jimmy's prefrences 0 in correspondence to teh club. Hell all bets are off here..I want rid of the white/silver monstrosities..so I'll employ leverage if only inferred !! lol So I would suggest people dont amalgamate or confuse these issues.

you want to move over a little and share that brick wall !!!

Despite rumours to the contrary..there is NO clash between these jumpers. Some may point out the obvious syd melb yoke similarity. Amazingly these teams have played for decades without incident. The mind will ignore the red and distinguish one team as white..and the other as blue..No clash !! Personally I have never seen any problem between the Fitzroy/Lion guernsey and our trad red and blue !!

p.s memo to Vlad.. I suggest that a second Syd team take its time to evolve naturally and in that vein get a team into teh VFL..much like Tassie had. Yes its Tier 2..not nearly as prestigious or as much of a tug for you.. But it will allow honest street cred to evolve. They can also initially act as the alignment team for the Swans as and until such time as the western team can legitiatley stand on its own at the elite level. Probably far too lateral ( and logical ) for your limited comprehensive abilities Im sure.. but take your time Vlad..read it a few times !! You know Vlad..the ol United we stand thing !!

Again.. I only suggest Syd is different..neither better nor worse..its all subjective as to where you rather be etc. Strangely I often noticed a great support of junior sports up there..like there is here.. Strangely this doesnt rollover into attendances at teh premier levels of sport. Cant figure that oneout to be honest..again..Its jsut different. But in this instance the difference has a noticable effect come the planning of sports investmenet etc. Queen..would you think that instead of trying to create a head under which the AFL seem to think a body wil grow ( in teh west ) that they say cool their heels and invest a reasonable amount..but only a fraction of the touted 20M ( say a quarter of that ) into furhter developing a foundation via better participation in AFL at under age levels in the outer burbs ! Personally I think the code is stil half a generation away from even conceiving suficient interest in a second team...but do the ground work and it might just naturally flourish..as opposed to creating something that doesnt really exist..i.e West Syd FC !!

Queen..Im sure no offence is meant..lol. but surely youd be inclined to agree..Sydney is NOT Melbourne..not the city, nor its residents cut of the same cloth !! Ive lived and worked in both cities, there ARE differences. If youre from Melbourne you know instinctively that Sydney is different.. No better, no worse...but its different and thats just a matter of record. Sydney has now existed for a generation...and yet it still struggles in many respects in its own market, that despite recent success at the highest level. Queen..what would you suggest to the AFL in order to bolster interest, let alone support for the code ?

Vlad is playing Russian roulette with the game. There's a lot of "hoping" and "maybe-ing " etc about the way he's going about it. He's listening to spin doctors who are nothing more than fumbling sycophants to his own message anyway. Im sure he strolls his home in a toga !!

I fully understand the requisite to expand into forming markets. Not only as an opportunity but as a rear guard to your exisitng market penetrtation and stability. Yep..Im with ya Vlad on that!!. I can even see a validity in a Gold Caost team... just cant abide the amaterishness of things so far.( different argument for a different page ) What I simply dont understand is the manic rush to failure that is the establishment of a West Sydney team..especially if it is at the expense of a ready made participant in the greatest game, that being a Tasmanian team. How can the AFL be so ridiculous in its stance with deaf ear qualities to the cocophany of opinion, not just here and on other boards but out in the Football World at large. Almost to a tee there is alligned dismay amongst the football press that a Tasmanian application is given no justice of hearing How can a choice between one , where all but a push of a button is required to get going as compared the other where nothing..but a turned sod exists... be so wrong ( the choice ) If ever an organistion chose to p!ss off its supporter..and indeed its constituents ( being the exisitng clubs its supposed to work for ) it must the the AFL..and Demitriou must take full blame Me thinks Vlad is mistaking a fall away from NRL as an invitation to expand his reach. Vlad..its not that they want AFL..its a total indifference to all things !! Again..you just dont want to open your eyes and admit you're wrong.

Cant quite agree.. but Valenti has better vision and ability to do something with it, he's cleverer by foot. Now if we could just merge these two !!

be still my beating heart !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deanox, i tend to agree with that. He ( Vlad ) is looking at al lthis purely through the polarising glasses of marketin getc. He is however failing the first rule of marketing..i.e Know your market. He seems to ascribe to our northern neighbours the same qualities that we Melburnians have. Mistake #1 . He also I feel has a very poor feel for the demographics of Sydney , mistake #2. Anyone who has lived , worked or visited for any extended time in Sydney will know the polulation works to a very different tune up there. Its strange., amazes me every time. Down here we really revel in the sense of occasion..silly thig slike Auctions..far more poluar here than north of the border. Sydneysiders would much rather coallesce in smaller numbers and watch something on telly or go do somethig else. Footy in Melb.. and Tassie.., Adelaide..and even Perth is a religion.. a passionate religion.. In Sydney its just another parochial past-time..and Vlad just doesnt get this.

I'll confess I am as guilty as many when considering some players..in that I expect them to perform..EXPECT it.. I feel no joy in that they had a good day.. They should all be good days. The problem for Brocky is that sometimes you're only as good as your supporting performers. All too often he , if not a lone gun, certainly not well supported and as such is limited in his choices. Some hard work goes wasted as there often isnt the link happening to reward the effort and so he can look a bit of a goose. I rate Brock for sure. I also will say he isnt quite where , even he would think, he ought to be. With a sound mind he'll get there though and as a team we'll be far better for it. Injury must niggle him, must frustrate him. Definitely one Im hoping to have a sound preseason.. Many others in the team look to him ...He's very much a litmus of our fortunes. Will be very much the "making of the man " type season for Brocky in 09. I wish him well.

Sydney... They're a Weird Mob ... For sure This isnt an opportunity for Sydney bashing..( well it is ..but I wont .lol ) but HT and others are on the right track. Sydney doesnt operate the same way we do in Melbourne..Its no coincidence that many of the better Stage ( and international events ) productions come to Melbourne first !! Its done for a reason.. because we will go. If you want to be a success you need to get runs on board and bums on seats and get that register going caching caching !! This is never guaranteed in Sydney..go ask a producer. Often things need to be legitimised to Sydney-siders before they'll go. Its really the strangest of phenomena. Why does it happen.. why are two cities only a thousand clicks apart so very very different ? What does it say when we can get as many , if not more , to a NRL State of Origin game down here.. and who could really give a toss !! But as a city Melbournians will go. Go get Richard Attenborough and ask him..lol. maybe he knows!! Essentially its a cultural thing, but possibly a Doctorate Thesis is needed to do that subject justice. I really think ol' Vlad is just malelovently blind in his outlook to the expansionist requirements of the league. Often its offered.... If you build it , they will come.. but there's a BUT !! They have to be used to coming to things in the first place..and this isnt Sydney's forte!!

Has he...Hasnt he ? Will he...wont he ?? Has he learnt the error of his indicretions ? has he now got his head firmly in the right place ?? Will he or wont he play to the level that he shows on occasions. Will he rise to the call ?? He's a very good player when on song. Why is it our good players have to be on-song. Surely really good players just are !!

Im not sure if this necessarily follows..It only makes sense if we were 1)going to use Carroll..and 2) value his experience. I cant see either applying. He is really just a list clogger now. Id go with Deanox and pay him out.. and use his place to develop another. This maye be worthwhile experience..as opposed to Chop's . just a view

Yep Probably the only bloke we had for a while that could physically contain some people.. especially sweet agaisnt the filth though :D

I liked ol' Clogs !! Not the best player by a long shot.. but an honest player who I thought used what he had very well. Many others could take a leaf out of his book come the attack on the play and the perseverence even when things looked bleak. As mentioned his tenure was doomed by the new outlook at the club and the reality is that this is probably a correct summation of Benny's situaton re Melbourne. He was entertaining if frustrating at times..lol. A battler more than clasically skilled he gave some clam to the defence in our many days of panic. I wish Benny good luck in his future endeavours

Suzzana...I agree i wont have to look left and right any day soon ! But of all the 'projected" extensions to lines..this would be the one that would probably be able to done the quickest..as its actually there ( all but the station ) Years have a habit of slipping by quickly..but I wouldnt be at all suprised to see it come back to life inside of 4-5. Casey would be very keen to see the line come back..especially in Sparks form.. the Council is very pro PT ...even if some of its ideas are a little left of field ( any field !! lol ) The fact that Melbourne is coming.. the reality of the continual development of the playing fileds and other Community accessible assets drives the transport and access part of the equation. As an observer of these things I will be very interested to see how this "card" is played out next voting circus !!

Shhhh !!! lol I get enough stick for being an ol' bastard !!

Keep in mind..only one of the five choices above is red. A random selction would run at 20%.. yet its actually running at near 1/3 the vote ..or 165 % over its mean and by far the best performer of any selection. In reality all this really means is ..stats can be made to sound like a lot of things !! lol In the venacular it would be put its a stacked selection with only one of five choices being red..yet its still polling the highest !! Dont discount Ol' Red just yet

heheh.. its a valid point that.. No excuses at all are there.. espc the Rowville line...got sold a pup there for sure. However..they needed to be buiilt..ROW acquired etc. problems with planning etc. For CAsey only a Station need be built.. a few K of line rehabilitated and some wire strung..all on exisitng easements etc. Actually technically that line could be reactivated with a memo ( I kid you not ) But redone to Sparks standard is a bit of work.. but not a horrendous amount..and with housing and infrstructire requirements in that area growing.. its not if...but when !! now about them Scorps !!