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Come on Deezone, the floodgates are well and truly open on the ruckus!

Culley's debut might be literally the only thing holding my interest in this game..

I might be harsh but I think $2.6m for Silvagni is way overs. Handy utility player at best.

If Coleman is gettable at all I'd be very keen.

I feel like I need to step in to return serve to the people criticising the comparisons to 186 as it was the first post I made in the Postgame thread on Sunday seconds after the siren. In no way am I comparing the severity of these two results, it is obvious which one is worse. But in terms of embarrassment? The not wanting to show your face in public feeling? Personally I haven't felt the the levels reach that height since 186. The only game that comes close since then is Rd 2 2016 and losing to a bunch of VFL replacement players. Those of you who cannot see why such a comparison would be made need to look beyond the basic mechanics of final scores and margins. The two games were obviously poles apart but the level of utter humiliation wasn't. Not to mention the timing of when these results occurred (coach under serious pressure and the club in disarray). In some ways 186 was easier to deal with because the result was a forgone conclusion for 4 quarters. The club has at least held its nerve for 2 days before swinging axes, had the emotion reach fever pitch levels like 2011 we could have seen the same action and then I'm sure it would have felt very familiar. I couldn't give a damn how close the game was, is that really supposed to be some kind of comfort? Really? This club set some amazing standards for a brief period but great teams do not set records like these, it simply doesn't happen and it is completely indefensible when it does happen. Taking comfort out of blowing a 46 point lead just because it was a close game compared to 186? Give me a spell. And honestly, how much more comfort do people want to take out of the nearly finals wins in 2023 if not for inaccuracy and one player being injured? Kicking goals is a very important part of the sport and we have had probably a dozen games since then where we 'would have won if we kicked straight'. I'm getting tired of hearing it, after that long it's no longer a good cop out line. Games are decided by goals, you either kick them or you don't. They don't give a Nobel Peace prize for attempted chemistry. I've said a ton of times that I've been undecided on Goodwin and will credit things he's done even this year but this narrative using our inaccuracy to support his case as a coach needs to stop.

His tap work around 2018 was on another level. Forward taps, side, over his head the variation he had was really spectacular. Not a terrible thing and coaching may have played a part but I'd use that era has the example of his best 'tap work'.

Yeah the good thing is knowing that we're never far away from breaking a record like that.

We need another Cold Light of Day thread.

A choice I'm willing to take.

It's looking like we need reviews to go to the bathroom at the moment. I'm sure the last one didn't come cheap either, would have been good to know a bit more about what it actually uncovered.

I might go and put on the 3rd quarter of that Rd 5 game against Essendon to feel better..

Appreciate what you're saying but we have got to stop using close losses as a measure for success.

Courtesy of @WheeloRatings , 4th quarter stats plus quarters 1-3. Quarter 4 Melbourne St Kilda Disposals 67 95 Contested Possessions 26 32 Post-Clearance Contested Possessions 19 20 Uncontested Possessions 39 62 Clearances 6 9 Centre Clearances 1 6 Inside 50s 7 18 Marks Inside 50 2 9 Quarters 1-3 Melbourne St Kilda Disposals 251 260 Contested Possessions 98 92 Post-Clearance Contested Possessions 57 49 Uncontested Possessions 157 166 Clearances 34 32 Centre Clearances 12 5 Inside 50s 45 25 Marks Inside 50 13 5 Pick your poison..

The moral of the story is when the other team gets momentum it can't be stopped. Even when you're 46 points up, you always get chased down.

Much appreciated mate!

And in typical MFC fashion we have to make sure that a scheduled board meeting has more media attendance than the Morwell magistrates court.

I really feel for the youngsters supporting this club. I'm at a point where I've seen it all now with this club and while it never gets any easier putting up with embarrassment like this, I do feel like I kind of know what to expect. But for kids a loss like this would be soul destroying. If I saw just one kid in tears after that last night it would have been heart shattering.

The Denver Nuggets were a better chance to get Dennis Rodman out of retirement back in the day.

God it just gets worse and worse.

@WheeloRatings is there any resource out there that does quarter by quarter stats? I know the AFL app does it for players but I would love to see these from the last quarter yesterday: - Clearances - Marks inside 50 - Inside 50s - Total, uncont and cont disposals

This season sucks.

The keyword for me is 'embarrassing' losses. I'm not heartbroken at all, in fact it's entirely predictable. This is the most embarrassed and on the verge of head explosion I've felt since 186.

Disgusting.

Get ready to face the music again MFC!

The morning after.. In some ways it’s even worse than the day of the event. If you’re a long term footy fan, you might get a handful of these embarrassing days in your lifetime, for us it feels like we’ve had at least 5 times as many as fans of other clubs. New lows, new embarrassing records, you’re never far away from this as a Melbourne fan. I don’t even know what my main thoughts are this morning. Whether it’s about the game itself, where we have found ourselves, long time club mentality, the life of a fan etc. I’ve been lost for words since the siren and am still lost for words. I’ve said this 3 times already and I apologise in advance for saying it again: Yesterday was never ever going to be a game where I stressed, yelled too much, got the heart rate high and so on. We’re in the butt end of the season with no hope for finals, no first round pick to tank for, very few kids to get a good look at. Out of all the teams in our position this year, we have next to no reason as fans to waste our time on these games other than to hopefully win or get some kind of hope. Whether we were going to win comfortably or close or lose comfortably or close, my stress level was not going to get out of first gear… Until there was an embarrassing 30 year old record that nobody wants on the line. I for the life of me cannot believe in a game like this, the thing that got me out of my seat screaming was the possibility of an impossible, ugly, smelly, grotesque record falling and being on the wrong side of it yet again. What football fan is regularly in a position where they have to worry about some bizarre thing like this happening? Not many can manage it as often as us. You can take it as a deranged positive that at least something motivated us fans but I am just so angry right now about that. It really shows the life inside an MFC fan’s head and it is the saddest thing ever. I can’t see any other club’s fans getting as nervous as us when those first 4 goals were kicked. If any of you feel the same way please reach out because I feel like I’m banging my head against a wall here. I don’t know why this had to be the case. Some home truths about the game itself: Loved the way we looked for 3 quarters, ball movement as good as it had been all year. Can we just acknowledge how easy the Saints made this for us though? Their movement was slow to a halt and they tried to play the kick mark game. You couldn’t wish for better conditions to get our style going against. The moment they put speed on the ball we were like frightened little rabbits watching a scary movie, instead of matching the running level we were in the cinema clutching the person next to us and telling them to hold us. It was a real ordeal and maybe some counselling is required. The players get no free pass whatsoever. We have lacked the killer instinct mentality and execution for a long time now, this is not a one-off but more of a culmination. Now that it has ended in ultimate humiliation for the world to see it will be firmly in spotlight. I can point to at least 6 games this year where the chance to wrestle back or gain momentum has been completely fluffed by bad execution in the moment or stupid behaviours leading to free kicks, 50s and more. That Port game to me was just like this last quarter when you had Oliver 30 metres out try to snap and not make the distance and then Viney on the wing with 5 seconds left give away a free and then a 50. The only reason this wasn’t plastered over every single place you can think of is because we lost that game convincingly in average and forgetful fashion. Small details matter, there is never a reason to give away a goal with the ball on the wing with 5 seconds left just like there is never a reason to give up 2 goals in the last minute of a game when the ball was at a stoppage in your forward line with 80 seconds to go. Poor execution, psychology in big moments, ill-discipline and not knowing what the hell we are doing when setting up for big plays is destroying this team. Talent doesn’t even come into it. Everyone deserves blame after yesterday, the players are the top of the list for me but coaching was sub-par at crucial times. Our rotations in that last quarter were nothing short of a joke, taking Kozzie out at 21 minutes into the quarter, even taking Fritsch off in the first quarter when he was shooting the lights out. The rotations guy needs blame and if it is Goodwin he needs blame. Sending Bayley Fritsch down back to defend the single spark of hope they had, playing Petty wherever the hell they were playing him. Actually playing Petty at all in place of Jefferson. Then the tragic 6-6-6 debacle. Of course you can’t do much as coach in that moment… Hello? Do we need reminding that Simon Goodwin coaches from the boundary? Nothing we want to yell out to anyone in that moment? I still haven’t heard a good explanation of why we approached that last bounce how we did. From my understanding we had too few players in the square. Why? Were they back defensive side? What was the reasoning for this? Were our players actually so scared to lose that we wanted to drop guys back? Why was one of our best contested bulls lining up on a wing? Is our team mentality that shot that we didn’t want to back our premiership ball winning machines at a centre bounce? Loser mentality. We’re always bemoaning our poor inaccuracy and then following it up with how there is no time to practice extra goalkicking at training because they have a million meetings during the week. So out of all those meetings there apparently isn’t one where they could a) Go over the 6-6-6 rule and b) Drill it in what we would do in that situation? If we’re going to cop out with the goal kicking excuse and use the excuse that footy clubs spend more time studying now than practicing, then bloody well practice what you preach and learn your jobs. If you claim to be a reasonable side, there is never a reason to go goalless in a quarter of footy. Let alone concede 9 goals and in the last quarter. All teams have blooper days but if you can’t achieve these check boxes then you aren’t even close to a finals team. It’s all mental. You don’t go from 9.4 at half time to 13.12 without it being mental, you don’t concede 23 x I50s for the first 3 quarters then finish with 43 without it being mental, you don’t concede umpteen marks inside 50 in the last quarter without it being mental. The way that game finished was like a video game where the other player dropped the controller and walked off. That last play was the equivalent of a soccer game where a 1 in 100 quick free kick was taken and they scored. That’s pretty much it, it is exhausting doing this. I’m sorry you all had to go through it as well.