daisycutter

LOL, Rhino......you must like watching paint dry too

i will be annoyed if we lose any game. i always am. but i generally get over it (well mostly) don't worry though BD you will know if we have turned the ship around regardless of number of wins

+1

it's just too depressing to trawl over our recent past, i don't know why you all bother maybe being an mfc supporter just attracts all the masochists

or maybe agms just don't appeal to the young (or in bbo's case, the young at heart if not mentally)

haven't heard from lordweaver's wayward brethren for a while on holidays again?

yes,yes, i've heard the same thing too od i just don't get it....must be thick a tv is the clearest way to watch a game of football these days even go to a game and when the action is on the far side people turn to the big screen

so what is the benefit for tv od? i'd have thought tv clashes would be on the bottom of the clash reason pile

maurie, i don't think anyone has a mortgage on labels there may be more labels around than confetti but no shortage of people from all persuasions willing to use them

commiserations, i hope they catch the rans you have a frog machine? priceless, i'd like to see that

LOL - that's soooo 60's BB but i do see where you are coming from

yes, there are similarities of tribal tensions but the african tribal violence was well in place before conversion to christianity i'm no expert but middle east violence among muslims is part sectarian (sunni, shia) and part tribal (in the main) I know that is a simplification but i didn't think it fair to blame african atrocities committed by christians as religiously based and again i'm not apologist for christian violence

to be fair hardtack the african christians you refer to are more driven by deep rooted tribalism than by christian religiosity their victims are sometimes christians of a different tribe

that'll teach to rely on the mainstream press - LOL

maybe he wants to be assured that the current changes are indeed permanent but the current changes (good that seem to be) are only a means to the real objective, which is a change on the field, and maybe that is what he is waiting for you really only have a difference of timing (as far as we know) Travis Boak was a very brave fellow and not typical of the modern footballer. It happened to have a good ending for him.

that may be true (although i think the reason for communism in (most of) eastern europe was not one of choice but simply mandated by stalin through force) communism's threat was not it's socialism but its intent of world communism by subversion don't forget that christianity had exactly the same origins. it was originally the religion of the weak and oppressed however, whatever the reasons people turn to extremism (religious or otherwise), that does not remove the risk that extremism can spread beyond its original borders and that is a reality for any government to deal with

my understanding was chip said he wanted first to see that the club was heading in the right direction no mention of number of wins or making finals i'm a bit like chip. i too am waiting to see "proof" on the field that we are headed in the right direction I've asked myself what should that proof be (in 2014) unless it's a big number of wins like PA (which would be too exceptional) i don't think wins per se is the answer then i though of %, lack of blowouts, possessions and other key stats In the end I decided I will just know, bearing in mind what I see with my own two eyes not scientific i know, but i'm just talking about 2014 and turning the ship around I hope chip is prepared to use his own judgement too and not some arbitrary stat

no,no you are doing it again feel free to discuss all aspects of "homeland security" in this thread but....when you are responding specifically to my comments please keep it relevant to those comments and stop bringing up me focussing on us propaganda when i haven't mentioned the us and i don't see how in any way possible it is clear to you where i get my information from if you are going to repeat the same personal dribble don't bother replying because i won't

i don't have any major objections to the above however it doesn't say much except to acknowledge the problems and the role of organised religious perversion which was pretty much my point and why growing islamic fundamentalism is a real concern the question of why some people turn to fundamentalist extremism in the middle east is not as simple as that they just have "very little" in many cases (probably most) the religious- fuelled extremism is turned onto each other by different islamic sects (aided too by tribalism) i have some embryonic theories on the "why" which are religo-cultural but it would be too presumptuous with my lack of in-depth knowledge to elaborate it is certainly complex for froggies (and others) benefit i should state i'm not an apologist for US foreign policy (nor for that matter US domestic policy) nor do i think that all that their foreign policy is wrong. Hood would call that fence sitting but i call it avoiding taking unnecessary unequivocal sides

you are just moving the goal posts froggy that's called a strawman can we just confine it to the topic of religion and not introduce every element of world instability and conspiracy into the argument and please don't lecture me about mainstream media, you have no idea from what sources i obtain my education

a little further clarification i'm not a christian or a muslim or any other religion. i am atheistic i am critical of "organised religion" as distinct from personal religion (of which i have no specific problem as long as it stays personal) i believe organised christianity is in a decline and organised islam along with its concurrent militant/fundamentalist component is on the increase i don't like seeing any increase in any organised religion no matter the denomination as i see it as harmful to modern civilisation it's not an anti islam thing as such i am also very much against the intrusion of religion in matters of state that's it in a nutshell

i see you are persisting with your arguments of equivalency. no-one is questioning christian extremism either historic or present but ignore reality at your own peril militant (fundamentalist) islam is a real threat to world stability

i expect there will be table somewhere jack which is maintainable by an administrator

didn't the tas labor government just recently change it's position on logging and break with the greens? or is it all greg hunt's idea?