daisycutter

I'm probably not making my point very clearly. And btw I wasn't implying you were one who was calling for extreme penalties. I don't want to rehash his latest incident. Yes it was dumb even it wasn't one of the more serious kinds of misdemeanor. Yes, it deserves punishment. I would have preferred something more immediate rather than something simmering for nearly six months but that is just a personal pov. Yes it was training/attitude related in that he was drinking (and presumably not sleeping) the night before IR training (an offense I would estimate is quite common among AFL players especially early in the week). Yes, this should be taken into consideration in his punishment. But, with regard to his on-field performance/attitude generally this example should be the only example taken into punishment consideration for this specific incident. I was intimating that a number of posters have been very critical of Sylvia's (perceived) on-field performance/attitude for a number of years especially because of his high drafting position and that in part they may be wanting to "punish" him for that as well as punish him for the incident. Yes, I know that off-field attitude and on-field attitude can often be correlated but not always. There are plenty of examples which disprove this as there are examples which seem to prove it. I say punish him for his off-field misbehavior appropriately on the one hand, and on the other hand, work through the coaching department (heavens knows we now have enough of them) to improve his on-field accountability through improving his fitness, tactics, defense, 2nd efforts, etc etc. I hope the coaches work on him heavily and give him hell, but that is a different issue than his recent misdemeanor Hope that puts my pov better and I haven't just muddied it more.

So, are you seriously suggesting we should start fining players whose on-field performances and perceived on-field attitudes don't meet expectations. There would be a lot of players being fined based on 2011 performances. I don't think you really meant that, so similarly Sylvia shouldn't have these factors included in his punishment for his current misbehaviour. However, I would agree that if the punishment does have an effect on his attitude this could consequently well have a positive effect on his on-field performance. Can't you see that off-field misdemeanors and on-field perceived attitude/performance are handled by different and separate mechanisms even though one could incidentally impact the other?

Why do you think I would bring it up if I didn't think there could be some correlation there? Shees! The punishment should be related to the offense (and any priors) and not tainted by other subjective emotions. On-field performance issues are tackled by training, coaching and selection regimes.

I wonder if any players missed training thanks to Qantas?

Too much hyperbole for me H_T. Just remember too that it is simplistic to think that there is a a 'one-size-fits-all' remedy to behaviour modification I wonder whether some of the acrimony and calling for even more punishment is not tainted by things other than off-field misbehaviour such as Colin not living upto some posters expectations with his on-field performances.

I agree, some people just don't see the big picture.

and I thought that 98% was the new 100%

That is very similar to what I heard too

Hah! You obviously never watched Bellbird

I don't think you even understand the concept of patronising but thanks for trying even if unoriginal

He notified the club within a couple of hours. Nothing unusual there it was early on a sunday morning I'm not denying he was stupid and I'm not saying he should face some retribution I am just saying it has got completely blown out of proportion

now you are patronising me

just out of curiosity, why the hell would the police contact the club? strange? if you had a similar accident in your private car on a Sun morning I can't imagine the police ringing your employer

who said let idiots do what ever they want? i just said the punishment doesn't fit the "crime" he got three separate punishments (spread over 6 months) plus the shaming and naming in the press and YOU still aren't satisfied what are you going to do when someone really mucks up?

So, that's the only way to change culture? really imaginative.

glad we never took on Eade as coach he had absolutely no game plan they would have been better to go back to good old man-on-man footy and kick long sylvia was lucky he wasn't part of the shambles

you are really blowing it up too much, seems you just wan't any excuse to get on a high horse and pontificate sure it was stupid, but it was out of season, and getting kicked off the IR team to represent your country would surely hurt what do you want? blood? nanny state

Dunno where you've been shopping Jack but I've paid $5.99 at a few places including the supermarket

I can't understand why it is not 1 (or 2) NAB cup games instead of a home and away game Seems weird he is part of the team for four weeks pf the NAB cup and then misses out I can't shake off the feeling that the team and supporters are being punished too 2 IR games $5000 and a NAB cup game would seem to be sufficient We really are the nanny-state sometimes

is it 1st round of home/way season or 1st round of NAB cup?

not saying anything (just musing) but 18% of $6M in commission is a big motivator as well as being a LOT of spondoollaks

actually rpfc I can think of a few scenarios where Velocity/GWS may have made the suggestion bottom line is we don't know who instigated the nepotism but we do know who accepted it

Unfortunately Fan I can see no evidence that Bails achieved anything as a legacy that any average afl coach could not have also In fact I believe he achieved less than expected I have never understood the arguments of those who were Bailey admirersj Sorry, just the way I see it

Ask him how many quarters to win is his target and whether he expects the team to be competitive.

Fill-up $cully just got his first recruit, Some dude from SA called Darren Jarman.