daisycutter

will this be the first time a team has played with more than half its salary cap out?

Clash of the millionaires......ouch

let me put it this way i will always have hope......but my expectations are really shot to the shizenhausen

like rpfc i had family on both sides of the fence......................a very troubling time, but surely there is little point now in rummaging through the ashes

what, you mean all the B$ ? B)

so you took a quick snapshot at some other sites on the current status means nothing. go to their sites after a loss or a player has a bad day, you are deluding yourself if you think they are substantially different if you went to demonland prior to last years season you would have heard plenty of posters talking of making the eight in 2011 and arguing over when the premiership window was opening Its all relevant to timing, not taking an instant snapshot but you will believe what you want to

just curious 1-how many legit voters were locked out 2-what percentage of these would have voted no versus yes

i share your preseason depression maybe if we start at a low enough level we are inured to further disappointment and any positives will be pleasant surprises but maybe i'm just kidding myself.................. as usual i will turn up to all melb games and be there at the final siren but i can't raise much enthusiasm at the moment i haven't felt this way the last 4 years even knowing we were rebuilding and wouldn't win many games I got my satisfaction watching the development of players. Unfortunately too many are treading water, going backwards or "need another 3-4 years, be patient". the first half of the season this year is tough so i don't expect to be in any better mood come mid season

Thats because you must be on West Coast Time? Anyway, I hope there is less talk of premiership windows and more talk of just stringing a few wins together

you're moving the goal posts a bit here you initially implied the root problem of the club was the 'negativity' of supporters who didn't 'buy in' (whatever that means). As if fixing up this supposed negativity of supporters would swing around the club's fortunes. If what you are really saying now is that we need to increase our revenue and invest more into the football dept then I think most posters here would agree and many have raised this issue for a number of years so there is no reason for you to continue abusing your fellow posters. If you think the 'big' club's supporters are always posting in a positive way then I suggest you spend some time on their forums. You will find they are just as searching and challenging and passionate and emotional as here.

that's one heavy chip you have there doc, but glad to see you are on top of it

I give up. Melbourne was a municipality of Greater Melbourne where people did sleep and had a back yard (small as it may have been) These were the origins (admittedly a long time ago) but it was tribal then Those figures are for residents not workers

Depopulation of inner Melbourne, 1891-1991 Municipality 1891 1991 Melbourne and North Melbourne 94,358 60,828 Fitzroy 32,453 18,163 Collingwood 35,070 13,340 Richmond 38,797 23,275 South Melbourne 41,724 18,499 Port Melbourne 13,067 8,080 edit:formatting

Like I said, WYL, read your history books Most of the housing within the Melbourne council area no longer exists now, but it was surprisingly large and much was low income You shouldn't argue about things you know nothing of

Neeld is quoted as saying the current mfc facilities are as good or better than Collingwoods Selecting the right players through the draft is unrelated to FD spending Revenue through memberships is not the major source of income Would more money help? Yeah sure, but its not because the members don't 'buy in' as you put it

Of course we came from a suburb WYL. Before the turn of the 20th century more people lived in the Melbourne council area than the councils of Carlton or Fitzroy or Collingwood Look up your history books, you will be surprised

So Doc, if the supporters "buy in", success and flags will follow, regardless of the cattle? Puleeze! Where have you been the last 48 years?

I'm honestly still too depressed to try and analyse it I don't blame the FD I blame the players esp but not only the 'senior' ones. So mentally fragile, so many missing in action The basics are really quite simple and they couldn't get the basics right Why? I dunno, it does my brain in thinking about it I'm fearing the worst is still to come, after all these years rebuilding. It looks like being a painful year

Where are we at? Well if the premiership is at midnight I'd say its about 2:30am at the moment

far to freudian for me doctor........i like to think i can tell the difference between good and bad footy.....keep it simple

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try a bit harder t_u, youll get it

ah is that what it was? well it sure wasn't a footy match B)

That's all very fine Nasher but I'm at a total loss to understand just what it was that they were 'practicing', unless you call bad football practice. Walks like a duck, looks like..............call it as it was

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