jumbo returns

Next year he'll take Martin's spot.

I was really disappointed with Gys today - tough conditions, but hardly touched it. I know the stats said 24 but not good.

Me too That was the queue to get into a line for Monday's sell. Arrived 4.00am Monday morning to queue, BBQs going, food vans, entertainment, people chatting around open fires....all footy talk. It was heaven until the following Saturday arvo...

Woey's Charlie.

Martin is not strong enough - gets monstered by bigger ruckmen.

Mark Neeld.

Stef Martin may be traded, but if he stays under Neeld, he'll need to change his entire approach to AFL footy. Block, stay out of space, shepherd, give off quickly, etc. He needs to listen, become disciplined and his improvement will come. He brings out in me what Lynden Dunn brings out in others.

Because he's no good.

Positive as well?

Prudent is good. 'Loose' is not...

All salient points and I reckon he's a keeper, but he has to learn to become a one grab mark. Has the capacity to do so.

I was worried - now, it's all coming together. Old Dee, hang in there!!!

Okay, no bs. Finish 8th - 10th next year, a bit better in 2014, if Neeld and the team stay together, the BOARD stays united, EVERY player single mindedly commits, I'm hoping 2015, 2016. Players will be in their prime and anything can happen.

You're a shocker, OD Fire up! We'll get better and better and better, and I'm sure all of us will enjoy the ride.

What about the Demonland after party? Mad Monday?

I love Picken as a player - what a beauty.

There goes his new contract.

Time for the club and above mentioned players to part ways.

Fair enough - I understand the head space you're in. I feel the same about Stef Martin. But, to me, Dunn (just for the time being) is playing disciplined footy and he's been coached well.

Standards Expectations Discipline Accountability I can't wait for 2013 and it starts with the draft.

Ridiculous statement.

Well, yes and no. Not so much bad, but less skilled that have a job to do. Jordy Mac is not that skilled, but he sticks to a task. You and I both know that these players exist even in premiership teams.

I think it has invigorated him and he's performing a task. If he stays disciplined (and there's no reason why he shouldn't) he'll be okay and do okay.

Every team has a bottom six.

I really don't think he's been coached well enough. He's now a big body and needs to shut down a small forward every week. I think there's a spot for him.