jumbo returns

That's true.....didn't think of that

Size equates to hardness and being competitive? It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.

Why don't you talk footy?

Belly got cleaned up by Johnson in a horrible head high / neck collision....I don't believe he ever really recovered. Long's hit on Simmonds was another shocker. Edit...forgot Gia's hit on Kosi...that was brutal.

Still need to see it all unfold in a real match situation. Let's see if he can break the heavy tag without dropping his head.

You're basing his whole form on one kick? One kick? I'm not convinced - his footy was horrible last year and it'll take a massive turn around for me start believing that he will add value to this team.

Is that the 2-for-1 offer from Kodak, OD? Developed at the chemists?

I believe he'll be traded at season's end.

And I've read 100 posts about his star qualities - that, to me, is inherently boring and blind faith. I'm not sure that JW will survive the new culture that the coaching panel are bringing to this team. I support the changes.

I know that. And I've expressed mine. It's been a good discussion. JW is a disappointment.

Hmmm....you're probably right G. Perhaps there's some suppressed memory that needs to surface The debate has remained amicable and intelligent. JW was a poor pick, in a myriad of poor picks.

The perfect attributes for a basketballer.

He just hasn't performed. You and I both know that. I'm glad you survived your encounter with Lethal....he was hardest I've seen and I can see how your anecdote may relate directly back to a skinny JW. But, many, regardless of size and mismatches, have shown early energy, angst and vigour. Alas, JW has a ways to go. I doubt he'll make it at the MFC under Neeld.

Crawf52...talk footy and have a debate. Putting your belittling repartee aside, have you seen any evidence that JW will be star? Or the team's most influential player? Or that he'll show some ticker?

Interesting to see the stats in how many times the ball was launched into the Swans' F50...it was a 100+ drubbing, so I'm assuming it was an avalanche. I'm not going to dwell on one game. JW is a disappointment - that's a fact and at some stage you'll need to acknowledge that. BTW, comparing him to HODGE? Really?? I, too, look forward to revisiting this debate.

2 games in 4 years? Now, that's influence.

Binman, I'd like you to mention one game that JW has influenced.

You've changed binman's basic premise. He didn't say 'season'...he said most important player. Ridiculous comment.

Binman, please settle down. More important than Howe, Jones, McDonald, Clark, Viney, Frawley, Dawes, Garland, etc? I don't think so...

Don't hold back, son!

YDE, you don't have time for this...you've got Year 12 this year! Seriously, have a great year....work hard and above all, enjoy!

Good point....probably run back to their position.

That's a real possibility...potentially, this could affect training in the future as there'll be more 'miles in the legs' rather than 'burst, get to a contest and then another...' KB's era was gut wrenching running and no footies until Feb...I don't think he fully understands the modern game. One thing I'm calm about - at least we have a coach who has a clue.

Macca, had a freshen up?

He really needs to lift. Yep, I got a degree in stating the bleedin' obvious.