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"please stop" bloody child you are. Overweight Oliver. Is that what you are chanting?

ahahah pot calling the kettle black... you are saying you barrack your heart yet calling players overweight. You are clearly not the brightest and simply dont like being called out on the dribble that comes from your mouth. Man up and call it how it is.. You talk [censored].

maybe you can tell clarry how over weight he is? leading poss getter with a goal. Must be fat. Maybe watch more football. IQ like a warm summer day.

13 and 1 goal leading everyone on the park... must be overweight... IQ low, told you.

yeah he is fat... lachie neal is also overweight according to you. only have 6 till almost half time. Moron

There are many examples of teams/people succeeding and failing in both instances where they are expected to "win" and like wise "lose". I think our bias can have us reaching for some form of context to help bring some understanding to the current situation but in the end facts will be facts. This team has under achieved with the playing list is had in previous seasons. To answer your question more clearly and what I believe; I think expectation no matter its strain if managed by the people in charge is mitigated or nurtured in a way that its reduced and or harnessed in a new and opportunistic way. Do we have the leadership for this.... Im not so sure. The reality is the club has a fair bit of work to do between now and next season. The club will have already started making some calls on structure within the football department and i think we will see changes first off in that space. My major concern is development of youth at this point and do we have the best people around them. We have talent across the park and a lot feels miss used or under utilised. If we dont get this right we end up like a St Kilda, North Melbourne or the Dees in the tough days.

Its not a normal consult. You keep referring to things like these people are just going to the local doctor.... They are professional athletes who are firstly not trained to make a decision like this and secondly can and will continue to put themselves in harms way. You are literally a moron if you cant see that the duty of care lies with the club and not the player in an instance such as this. I mean just look at the feedback from the AFL medical association in relation to head trauma and them feeling helpless to do anything as players refuse to co-operate. I mean why else is the AFL looking to bring in independent doctors????? ohhh nah you are correct, its just normal everyday triage management. you went the early crow, clearly wrong with your assumption and now sitting in a hole with a shovel.

so with all what you have said today it comes out that un-qualified person made the call to get trac back on the field.... that being the man himself. God your posts in a short amount of time haven't aged well have they now?

agreed but i think its clear that pressure is something our club and players dont deal well with. The last few years Fritta has been our only solid consistent forward but even then i think the weight of being a one man forward gets the better of him.

So you think the club did all they could to protect the player.... Yes or no? He was assessed and clearly not ok. Everyone could see that. Even his first contest after being on the ground, he hunched over in agony. The second contest he couldn't take body contact and even then it was another ten minutes before they took him off. Trauma patients aren't generally on a football field playing a contact sport at the highest level. Its this simple, the "want" for him to be out there somehow out weighed his health and most people can plainly see that.

Its our biggest weakness, has been for years yet little has been done about it. We have players of low skill who are highly contested, no real speed besides picket and Windsor now trying to play a keepings off style of play. We have been [censored] under pressure for years yet now invite it due to our play style. We are the turnover kings and get slaughtered on rebound. We have players all over the ground playing out of their best position. i mean maybe I'm wrong. But all i see is a sinking ship with many holes attempting to be plugged.

I thought I asked a simple question. Do you agree or not? In relation to "every player" how many players this year have you seen react to a hit like the one Tracc received? Where did anyone say about subbing players out regardless of a medical assessment? Or is this how you project your bias?

The doctor from VFL 80's who is a columnist for the Age...... let me give you some other things Brukner has stated. " it is no surprise that clubs sometimes struggle to find a well-credentialed, experienced doctor". "on match days, they make spur-of-the-moment decisions". "if they saw the same player presenting to their clinic, would require a detailed history and examination in addition to relevant imaging" "The days of coaches pressuring club doctors into allowing players to return to the game are thankfully over; within football clubs, the primary concern is for the health of the player" You are literally writing things like this one doctor who specialises in nutrition is the only voice of reason when many others are saying the total opposite. Nice biased research on your behalf though.

So is your take on this that the club did all they could to protect the players welfare? The rhetoric around what constitutes an operation is just dribble and anything in "hindsight" is the problem with taking proactive measures. He should never have been allowed to take the field and the club as some explaining to do.