JimmyGadson

Just now, WalkingCivilWar said:

Old mate doesn’t need to hear a longer version, rjay. In fact, he doesn’t need to hear any of it at all. He was so keen to bag Max that he probably didn’t even take the time to watch the clip. 

Lol.

How much are you on an hour to defend the MFC?

Max is a champion footballer. Best ruckman I've ever seen.

He also speaks too much and often speaks without taking the time to think.

Both can exist!

Amazing hey!

5 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

So tf what???!! He’s on a break, he’s with mates at the races. He could look full-blazed and it’s NOBODY ELSE’S BUSINESS, least of all yours. 

A player in his early 30's, a supposed leader of the backline, has had a previous mishap with a well respected and professional team-mate which was clearly alcohol-fuelled, made some embarrassingly stupid comments about being a better team than the 2023 premiers (clearly influenced by how many drinks he'd had) and looks completely out of it at the races having a laugh about what he said at the bnf.

It's a [censored] look. That's my take. 

No worries if you disagree! 

It's a footy forum, get over yourself.

12 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Like I said, the usual suspects will go on and on about Max and his mouth. Imagine the outrage if he just ignored the question at a public function and walked away. Media would’ve loved that.

I was more concerned about T Mac’s pink suit, he does pink well though.

Yeh. Imagine.

Remind me who suggested he ignore the question/questions?

Why is it always so black and white with you hardcore fan-boys and girls?

There is a space that exists.... in betweeeeeenn the black and white.

36 minutes ago, djr said:

Just so inane and cliche responses. We all know they have to perform next year. What do you expect Max to say when asked a question? "No comment". 

From Max? Agreed!

Future AA defender in the making, big men take time remember..

Bit of perspective thanks! 

43 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

All about money. Doubt he was even considering it until $1m was put in front of him.

How can you doubt it when he openly said he'd be open to a move back to SA at some point when there was clearly no reason for him to say so? 

Clearly, he has a desire to go home. But respects that we value him and held him to his contract. 

The world is not going to fall apart if Petty leaves, relax everyone. 

16 hours ago, binman said:

I refuse to list what Goodwin should be doing about that from a list point of view?

Refuse? Refuse who?  You? 

You seem to paint anyone who sees things in more positive light than you in such black and whiter terms. And paint yourself as clear eyed and able to see what noobs such as myself are too blindly loyal to see. As if i do nothing but praise the club and refuse to see or acknowledge any weaknesses.

(by the by, i don't think other clubs 'copied our game plan' and have never said they have. I HAVE said on many occasions that we copied the Tigers game plan and that the model developed by Hardwick is the template for the way the game is now played). 

C'mon Jimmy such reductive, black and white nonsense is so puerile. It is why i don't bother engaging in any meaningful discussion with you any more.

You don't seem to be interested in genuine discussion. You seem to prefer baiting, being obtuse and unnecessarily contrarian. It's tiresome. But each to their own i guess.

But i'll bite this time.

So, to your point about me 'refusing' to 'list what Goodwin should be doing about that from a list point of view'. 

For one thing, if you had been paying attention, i have banging on about our poor kicking skills ever since i started posting on DL 13 years ago. 

And more recently i have addressed what i see as our key list needs on multiple occasions.

For example, for your reading pleasure please see these three recent examples (let me know if you want some more): 

 

Thanks for your response.

I clearly missed those posts.

1 minute ago, mo64 said:

The post says "early days". Really? Do they want a time extension to get a trade done.

Lamb's last day specials haven't exactly been a success. Billings is no different to Grundy and Hunter. Coming off a poor season, and is probably going to be cheap as chips for a reason. 

I'd rather have some of our kids pushing for selection than Billings. Or we may as well kept Harmes.

Maybe. 

Or maybe he'd be rejuvenated at a new club? 

Did anyone think Bobby Hill would reach the heights he did this year? 

Peter Wright going to Essendon.. Dunkley to Brisbane. 

I mean there are examples on both sides clearly but you've got to be in it to win it ey?

Pretty sure he was a dees supporter growing up. 

Good omen!? 

1 hour ago, binman said:

I 100% agree on the first point.

I would argue the key reasons we didn't take advantage of our midfield and defensive dominance during big games were:

• our poor field kicking in general, which meant we were matched or beaten on scores from turnover - something that barely happened all season
• poor final kicks inside 50
• our mids and utilities not scoring enough goals 
• our woeful accuracy from set shots and shots from general play

As for the second point, that is what I'm talking about in terms of all finalists, with the slight exception of the Lions, basically employing the same game plan.

Come the pointy end of the season ALL teams, except the lions against Port, struggled to score from the back half because the game plan involved territory and trapping in the front half as much as possible.

In our QF against the Pies and semi against the Blues we were actually better at transitioning and scoring from the back half - and on turnover too.

The problem was we were scoring points not goals.

The Pies and Blues were more accurate (an old fashioned word for the stupidest and most misleading word in footy - efficiency) and took their chances. And as a result both won.

Yes, you can so easily identify what other teams were able to do during finals, (ie, copy our game plan lol) and also point out that we lost those games due to poor field kicking, poor kicking inside 50 and inaccuracy in front of goal.. (something that has killed us for years in games that we 'should have' won)

But.

You refuse to list what Goodwin should be doing about that from a list point of view? Or do you not think it's an inherent problem due to the personnel we play in certain positions? 

Why do you think this trend of poor kicking both in general play, going inside 50 and then shots on goal in general play exists mainly, if it's not personnel? 

25 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Coz that’s precisely how our Club decides who stays and who goes, right? 
🙄

Lol. 

Well yes, there's evidence of that everywhere across AFL clubs over the years. 

What rock are you living under? 

Obviously trade period still has some time to go but I'm not sure we're going to see improvement next year as far as ladder position or finals run goes if Fullerton and McAdam are our only trades and 6 and 11 our two picks for the draft. 

We're not going to get further improvement out of our core as they're in the prime as is. Gawn and May are past their prime so it's more likely that they'll decline. 

Of course we'll see some natural improvement from our younger brigade but none of them are prime movers. Rivers and McVee had great years but are don't and won't impact games like Trac and Oliver. And teams around us like Carlton and Sydney have a greater abundance of young prime movers who will naturally improve which will see those sides become even stronger. I think JVR plays a supporting role and I don't think he's ever going to tear games apart. He's an undersized key forward. 

Oliver is no guarantee to even play at this stage and I thinks it's naive to suggest we'll be going through a season without any injuries to key players. It happens to every side every year. 

So there's some natural concern here for not changing things up enough if this is how we're looking for next year, atm we're looking very same same. 

My hope is we can move up the draft and nab one of Reid, McKertcher, Sanders or Duursma. I think those three players will impact in their first year but also create hype and excitement. 

Still time, fingers crossed we make some changes. 

A forward-line of Mcdonald/Brown, Gunston and Fritsch scares me to death given their poor ability to compete and pressure at ground level.

Fritsch is basically our Gunston. Two crafty forwards who are finishers, are medium/talls and provide next to no pressure on ground level. 

I'd be baffled if we went after him.

3 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

What a joke. Harmes is just as good and has a premiership medal. 

Harmes as good as Gresham 😂😂😂

42 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

It only makes sense if GWS need the cap space in 2024. Given they have said  publicly they will keep him, they would have to have a new player they are targeting and for whom they need cap space. 

They do not seem anywhere near as desperate as GC was last year and I highly doubt they have a target lined up who will be so promising that they are prepared to trade out pick 7.

Right, I didn't know they'd come out publicly and said they'd keep him. 

Thought they were keen to move him on but thanks for the update. 

The Haynes thing makes sense to me although I'm confused there's no media noise around it. 

Given the cash we've freed up, surely it goes to Haynes for one year and then we have some big money to throw at Ben King, JUH or Logan McDonald as they're all coming out of contract at the end of 2024.

It gives us GWS first pick which would increase our chances of getting Reid or at least moving up to the top three of the draft? 

Genuinely hoping this happens now. Haynes is a super smart defender and the perfect hybrid. Would be a great fit imo. 

15 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

I don’t think you’re the only one to find GWS pick appealing in conjunction with a salary dump. I myself had that thought as many others would have. And connecting the dots with Petty isn’t a long bow either.

If there’s any truth to it, then obviously our footy dept thought so too.

Not sure what you’re saying here? You can predict the future (of rumours)?

or that someone at the club read your post too?

Or that it’s a complete fabrication (likely) but also unoriginal?

You've misread my post. 

I made mention of this as a hypothetical in a previous post a day or so ago to cover for Petty (if by chance he left).

Of course I'm not the only one that thought of this, I only made mention of it as one of many examples of how we could cover for Petty's absence (in a hypothetical world) in response to a poster who again couldn't fathom how we could possibly cover a Petty loss. 

I know little. 

But I can think of more than much of Demonland. Thank God. 

32 minutes ago, Garbo said:

Difference was when Frawley left we weren’t risking anything we were basically bottom of the ladder and the only way was up. Granted it worked out as we got hogan and then may for hogan. 

Petty still has 2 more years on his contract, why rush into a trade when we have no obvious replacement we can always revisit next year once things become clearer and maybe we have a trade target.

Even picks 10 and 20 even if possible aren’t the most alluring picks we could do better next year or the year after if petty stays fit and counties to improve.

Sweet Garbo. 

You're not understanding. 

This is not about 'rushing' into a trade. I know as much or as little as you!!!! 

Here's what we've heard from the media: Petty has a desire to get back to SA at some point. And Adelaide are hell bent on getting him this trade period and have offered what myself and many believe to be overs in pick 10, 20 and McAdam. 

Now. 

If that is true, we'd be a poorly run club not to entertain this offer given the options it gives us going forward. 

What are those options, (everyone keeps asking me). I don't [censored] know!!!! 

BUT!! 

What I do know is that we already have a strong draft hand. We have a fantastic list manager and recruiter and have an enormously positive track record in this space. 

What people on demonland need to get in their heads is what our future looks like post Gawn and May. Where will our list be? What kind of pain needs to be inflicted now to give us a positive looking future? 

It honestly seems like nobody is thinking that way. 

I don't care if we don't make finals next year or the year after if it means we can have another four cracks at it in three-four years time. 

You also have to look at what that kind of thing does for the growth of the club as far as new supporter and membership goes...

I don't get why people don't think of this? 

You want flags now and only now?!

We just missed out on two golden opportunities. Time to look forward with this list and entertain any and all offers that could benefit our club going forward.

Sometimes I think of this place as being a cult. And Saty runs it. 

Saty would still have Jordie McKenzie, Rohan Bail and Matthew Bate as our leadership group promising that they're improving every pre-season. 

(all the while we'd be bottom of the ladder losing games by 100 points). 

9 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

How are you going to structure the forward line without Petty?  We'll get McAdam anyway so he's not part of the Petty deal really so it's 10 and 20 for Petty.  What is the likelihood that we'll get a player who is structurally significant as Petty with one of those picks and how long will they take to mature into someone meaningful?

Petty is a pretty valuable player.  He can play both back and forward and he's very competent now but is not at his peak being only 23.  I'd guess if you put him on the open market he'd attract something higher than 10, in fact I reckon NM may use pick 3 on him and one of their future end of first rounders.

I'm just not sure you're thinking it through but I do agree that we need to be nimble in our thinking and I think we've got a history of doing that.

Isn't it funny that I mentioned taking on the Haynes contract with the bonus pick (as a possibility of covering Petty if the trade actually eventuated) and then a few posts later Mach comes through with something he may have heard. 

Did you read my post? 

Is there anyone aware that I may not have alllll of the machinations given I'm not in list management?! But that possibilities would be there that we can't see. So why even comment?!? 

Man. 

This place is crazy, honestly. We were so close to making a Grand Final. Without Petty. What's going on here?! 

20 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

But your proposition of trading out Petty does not improve the forwardline. Just because Collingwood won a flag with Mihocek, does not mean that's the blueprint.

This perfectly sheds light on why it's impossible to talk any sense with you. 

You make [censored] up. 

You've literally made up that "my" proposal (which I never proposed) that trading out Petty would improve our forwardline. 

It's honestly like trying to reason with a teenager. 

Maybe go back and read what I actually said, then come back and reason. If that's at all possible. 

Try your hardest not to make things up. 

1 hour ago, Binmans PA said:

I'm fine with moving up the order, son, but there's no guarantees that you can. See the Butters draft and last year with Humphries.

So you'd have us trade out Petty in the hope we could move up the draft order, when there's a a reasonable chance we can't.

So we've given up our best marking forward and have to hope pick 10 is a winner, but they won't be taking contested marks next year.

Glad you're not in charge of recruiting or list management. 

No no. 

I'm glad you're not in charge. 

All you've done is outline exactly what the Demonland one-eyed supporter would do. 

Be too afraid to make decisions based on on fear of future outcomes. 

It's ridiculous you say 'there's no guarantees you can't move up the order' with the draft hand we'd get for a trade like Petty but completely brush over the fact that there's also no guarantee he'll get his body right for a full year? Or there's no guarantee that his form will continue in an upward trajectory... Or any other list management risk?! 

Does anyone notice this? Lol. 

Nah. Because we love Melbourne players and Melbourne payers only and all else is riskkkkkk so shut upppp. 

1 minute ago, BW511 said:

Probably relevant to yourself and @DeeSpencer, the McStay deal was organised well before last year.

He didn’t just pop up, Pies played a long game to bring him home

That's fine. 

They were still questioned for it given he's a third tall at best. 

9 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

I reckon your good for the forum Jimmy as you come from left field as does DeeSpencer.  I don't agree with you on this because I think Petty is a very important structural part of our team and that part is very hard to replace.  Not only that but we are short of that structural part. 

I'm in agreement with you that we don't need to throw the house at getting a KPF but only if we've got Petty on the list. I can't see us improving much in the next two years without Petty or a good immediate replacement who would probably cost the same - if they were available - but they're not.

You say you want sustained long term success and in my view this is what we've had over 3 years.  Never out of the top 4 in those three years and we've won a flag.  We don't need to gamble the house by trading Petty.  We've already got two picks in the top 20 and that will add spice to what we've got.

In my view you're way off the mark in wanting to trade Petty.  You'd have a much stronger argument if it was an area we had an abundance in. 

 

 

Appreciate your post. 

But to be clear, it's not that I *want to trade Petty. 

But if we're being offered pick 10, 20 and McAdam, I think it's most definitely worth considering given what we could turn that into over the next few years. 

That's all. 

I'm just not in the 'keep Petty at all costs' camp. I think that's silly. 

22 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

I was fine with Watts and Frawley leaving. Less so on Hogan, but happy to get May in return.

I like players that are B+-A like Petty, that can help us win a premiership next year versus a speculative pick 10 or pick 15 in a shallow draft.

Now, I know you think it's a super draft, but we hear this every year and it's rarely true.

And FWIW, I'm quite happy to trade players and I'm quite happy for us to be aggressive in trading as high as possible if we think someone like Reid is worth it, I'd even trade JVR for Reid (attention @Dwight Schrute), but Petty is a proven key back with a strong (seeming) ability to play a vital key forward role for us next year and into the future. You don't trade players like that. And whilst I was really impressed with JVRs season, Petty's marking ability from day dot makes him a far superior player to JVR IMO.

Mate. 

This is getting ridiculous. 

Petty was drafted at 37 in a draft. You would have said how speculative that pick was back then. 

The top 10 this year is a bumper crop, therefore experts declared it a super draft. Idgaf if you don't think it is. There's super talent there within that top 10.

Also, you're comparing Petty to a pick 10-15. Which is [censored] ridiculous given we'd clearly be using those picks to move up or trade for a player. Why so short-sighted. Every. Single. Time. 

Think forwaddddd. 

Did you say the same thing going into the draft where we managed to move up to pick up Jackson, Pickett and Rivers? 

Or Oliver at 4?

Think for a sweet minute my son. 

21 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Did you really just compare 26 year old Frawley for pick 3 when we’re on the bottom of the ladder with 23 year old Petty for pick 10ish (if available) in our window? That’s nonsensical.

JT has a great record. He’s not perfect. Weideman, Laurie, probably Jefferson.

I have no issue with going backwards to go forwards.

I have an issue with going backwards when you’re really close to winning it all to go forwards in a few years time when the elite core we’ve got now is either done or pushing 30.

You’re pushing for change for changes sake. There’s no logic in that.

If you think Petty for pick 10 is an amazing deal that won’t be there in 12-24 months and Nate Caddy or whoever JT gets is the answer then I’ll hear it. But given talls are hit or miss and generally take 3-4 years to impact if you’re lucky that’s a huge risk.

As I said, I’d be much more willing to listen to a midfielder out to freshen the midfield mix given our oversupply of one type and likelihood of finding reinforcements. 

No, I compared supporters being fearful of the same result. Because they can't see a result! Fear of the unknown. Same story every year. 

Al of those names you listed were outside the top 7? Should I also put forward the names of Petty, Rivers, Bowey or JVR to even it out?. 

There's risk everywhere. Doesn't matter where you look. Just depends on where you WANT to look.