Jjrogan

We are miles behind . A lot of overrating of our youngsters. Langford and Lindsay are the real deal, clean, thoughtful and reliable with disposal. The rest are cameos at best. Bowey maintains a consostency, but hes never going to dominate or reach AA leve. Mcvee might as a specialist BP thats about it. Years of wilderness ahead i fear

I knew nothing would be different from the very opening bounce. Goodwin needs to make a statement and walk the walk himself. You cant keep bemoaning clangers and turnovers then continue to play the competitions leading turnover player (for the past decade no less) in the middle week after week after week.

My concern is a) only a few of these players are legit elite to the level of AA consistency. Other teams have much more talent under 25. b) that forward line. Er. And that backline. c) the salary cap weve given to our elite players will cost us dearly at the back end of their careers. Other clubs will come hard for Lindsay and Langford in 2 years time knowing full well we are paying multiple guys way overs. We will have to dump salary cap and or draft picks. I think we're in a spot of bother here medium term.

The 2 things that stand out watching these highlights are his skills under pressure and that he might be Joey Montagna's favourite player before the year is out.

1st quarter We move the ball through the corridor to Langdon. For the sake of moving the ball quickly he handpasses from overlap run to Billings who handpasses to Oliver who has nowhere to go doubles back on his left and turnover rebound. Goal. Oliver gives away a 50 metre penalty through impetulance which hes been doing his entire career. Learnings . Goal. Langford kicks beautifully into the corridor to Bowey who kicks a beauty from 50 in front. Rivers makes a mistake by hand trying to go back into the corridor. Turnover. Senior players in oliver trac fritsch watching, pointing, high fiving while suns player runs past. Learnings. Goal. Please dont make me watch the rest of the game. If the right players get the ball we are ok. If players are switched on, we are ok. Right now its Goodwin's job to get both done.

yea, you're right of course. Just watching the same mistakes and turnovers week after week is very frustrating. We need to get a different midfield mix which is probably on the cards anyhow once everyone is available.

Yea im happy to priortise this. I like winning games and losing them on expected score or bad goal kicking. It was fun being relevant. Enjoy your new paradigm.

Very tough reading. Period :(

Out: this absurb game plan of fast movement, handball chains and corridor with cringe worthy skills. Humiliation. Delusion that we can play this way. In: contest defence, playing to the strengths of the playing list. winning by boredom. 4 points. respect. Not going to happen so look away now.

That was an embarassing quarter. For the Suns. OUTSCORED LOL

"Brisbane, the fastest team in the competition last year. Sydney, the second slowest, but both of them are the highest scoring teams. “So you look at the second slowest with Sydney, it’s not a negative, that is just how they want to play, it’s working for them. You go to the year before, Collingwood were actually the third slowest team in the competition, but it got them the flag." At the very least, the way they are calculating this new metric doesnt sound like something that is necessarily correlated with success but nevermind, lets continue to pray at the ball movement altar.

NM (mel) Scoring from def - 38 (22) From fwd - 44 (30) From centre - 43 (14) Scoring from Stoppage - 69 (17) Scoring from Turnover - 60 (43) My own opinion is that we have prioritsed ball movement (in this forum and the coaching staff) in the past 12 months and thats been a SIGNIFICANT detriment to our turnover differential, where the game ultimately matters. We just dont have the right players in the right period of their careers for this game plan. Hope im very wrong.

Fully respect this point of view but this is not the make up of the current Premiers. Maybe the exception that proves the rule, but the Lions 24 were a high mark, high kick, high clearances, low defensive 50 rebound, low handball and low intercept team. They got the ball inside 50 and relied on some contested marking strength. The 'modern' game (statistically at least) is about outscoring your opponent on turnovers, theres a few ways to do that still.

I do! We've not lost to them since Trump was a 'thing'. We are playing at our home ground against an interstate team that didnt make the finals and we are finals aspirants ourselves. Their top 6 are mostly butchers (albeit decent) but their bottom 6 are no better than ours. I'm all for heart and effort but this one is a must win. Non negotiable. Do not let King win them the game. Do not let Sexton kick 4 cheapies. And do not leave Anderson unchecked from stoppages, he's an absolute gun.

An odd metric to rank a player's value as we dont know his specific role but anyway. He's had 96 and 97 in the past 2 weeks and over 100 against the Pies last year. So basically 3 in the past 5 games if you consider that coming close.