Jjrogan

That we as supporters clearly dont know all the facts. Having said that, clubs are way too precious about "bad influences" and "culture cancer" and " toxic behaviour". Its an industry of young men with lots of free time, people make mistakes and people can change. Is he an absolute unrecoverable disaster? I find that extremely hard to believe. Cause his footy is definitely not 3rd round pick material for the next 5 years.

I cant believe there isnt another club out there willing to out bid that offer , take him for 700k and give up a 2nd round draft pick. Serious miscalculations being made here for someone who is still, at the least, an above average afl midfielder. Bizarre.

As a defender his kicking efficiency is below average. Wasnt top 150 last year and other metrics such as disposals per turnover or clangers per turnover he wasnt in the top 100 either. At best he's inconsistent. But not everyone has to be elite in everything. He brings some athleticism and speed. Our defenders were too slow last year. Hawks dont want him so we should be bidding a late 3rd or 4th rounder. There's really no reason to be paying up if hes not guaranteed a game at the Hawls.

If the Suns need points THIS year if they give up 7 and 8, then we should be offering our 2nd rounders, but only if are getting back their future 1sts.

Bit harsh as he's been injured but therein lies the problem. Youre relying on a 33 yr old to recapture the mobility and agility of his 20s (with a foot injury). Its possible I guess. He's an upgrade cause his marking is decent and will have the odd good game mixed in with shockers. If he kicks 60 over his contract thats probably the pass mark.

All good !! You're totally right tho thats how rumours start or things get remembered differently. Even now there's a suggestion he liked the Pies facilities better than Melbourne but at that point he hadnt even seen them (or any point). More likely, he was just wearing his heart on his sleeve. I personally dont fault him for that.

Check the tapes. "Aaaah, like them better than melbourne, thats for sure" pretty clearly said. Moot point, but it was a reflection on his feelings, not an appraisal of the clubs. Having said that, both are probably true sadly.

For context and comparison. Pies gave up Adam Treloar and pick 26, 33 and 42 for 14 and a later 2nd rounder. Basically the pick points value evened themselves out. Pies were rumoured to be paying 1/3 of his 900k salary. He was most definitely a stronger midfielder than what Oliver is now. I could see a deal be pretty similar. Actually turned out alright for both clubs.

Yea, its better to say nothing than being honest eh. One minute he's contracted and then next minute he's being pretty aggressively pushed out the door. Of course hes going to like anyone better than Melbourne. He's upset, angry and yes, tried to be a smart alec. Just as childish to get triggered by an honest comment really. Im not a huge fan of his generally (he had many years to rectify his total lack of care with the football by foot) but I also get bemused by the hypocrisy around these parts who say mental health is a very important thing and how we all care about it but then takes the slightest comment to send folks into online rage at players. The guy is human and whilst not blameless doesnt deserve all of this nastiness. Seeing the same thing with Judd.

3 first rounders in '25 '26 and '27. Sorry wasnt clear. If we dont get Flanders and say pick 6, its the closest we could hope from the Crows if he nominates them.

I really dont mind the idea of Adelaide's first 3 draft picks 25, 26 and 27. I know we say we want a player but were going to get junk if its not Sam F. That's not helping. Assuming Crows average 5th over the next 3 years, that equivalent of pick 6 and 8 Cameron went for 3 first rounders so maybe we need to kick back a 2nd rounder. Having that draft capital in addition to our own if we do stay in the bottom 8 will make us be able to get to the real pointy end of upcoming compromised drafts. Not to mention a 2 yr death ride sounds like an awful lot of fun.

He and Bont are so far in front of the league for score involvements over the past 5 years. Its literally daylight to 3rd. He had the worst year of kicking in his career and still got 16 votes and top 10 for score involvements per game. Even the slightest regression to the mean (which is a certainty according to me) on his kicking will see him be an elite player again, at least for 2 more years. Sure he isnt the player that you necessarily need to make finals, but he is the player you need to make top 2 and win a GF. I think its a huge loss that will take years to recover from. I hope Im horribly wrong.

Yes I'm making the distinction between his case and Trac for instance. Both are keen to explore new lands but precisely because McVee is out of contract, our bargaining power is diminished. Long term contracts do actually have value.

Wait what? Trac opened the door to Maynard at Brayshaw's as part of Flowergate!?!!! This thread has officially jumped the shark! Love it!!!

So for all the talk of the meaningless-ness (new word i just made up) of long term contracts, this is exactly why they have merit. It provides clubs with options (for the cost of a salary cap that has to be paid anyway) when players want to jump ship. Its got nothing to do with loyalty.