Jjrogan

Not to derail the thread..but if Howe had the same output for us in 2025 as the years he was a forward for MFC ( his first 3 years), he would have have the same output as jvr and petty combined right now. All in a team that won 5 4 and 2 games.

Their key forwards are horribly out of form. Single digit touches for nearly all of them for 3 weeks now. 15, 15 and 16 scoring shots as a team. Meanwhile, ours are actually looking better. Either we play them back into form (so Melbourne) but i think if we win our fair share of midfield ball we are a huge chance to snatch this.

I couldnt agree more with this last line. Or position rather. We need a legitimate target up forward that generates scoring shots. Over the last 2 seasons. JVR and Petty have played 74 games between them for just 73 goals. Ok delivery is shizen but Pickett, Melksham and Fritsch have got it done with plenty of marks and shots at goal. I dont think having them both in the forward line works whatsoever. Im ok if its Petty but Turner/Jefferson/Kentfield (no pressure!) must at least be tried as the other key forward.

Could it be because 2 of our forwards are not natural forwards and no amount of coaching, instruction or game plan is going to make them such. You cant really teach that feign from Gunston, its pure instinct in the moment, otherwise its too rehearsed and afl defender doesnt fall for it.

Look it was great we gutsed it out in the last half (talk of players not giving effort is nonsense). But at the same time what difference would had it made if we lost by 70 and found out wow, May as a forward actually looks good. Rivers in the middle gives us overlap etc. A totally missed opportunity.

Wow. Killed from stoppage. Very rare that's the difference in the game. -41 points. Didnt feel like it, but does speak to how bad we set up today.

Maybe. But you kinda make the point for me I feel. The disconnect is there but yet you try the exact same thing with personnel?? Petty and jvr forward. Turner and may back. Sorry, but youve got a free hit to really take a look at some different things but instead youre doing exactly what Goodwin did. Trying to force square holes in round plugs. At least and see if the puzzle can be solved by moving the pieces around, no? For me, its a red flag he didnt.

And therein lies the problem. Incredibly, we are on top of the ladder if matches were decided by inside 50s count. By thats not what decides games, marks inside 50 do. Pretty obvious we need to change the players kicking it in there, the players up there, or probably both. Chaplin has the reins, and does pretty much exactly the same thing as Goodwin?!?! 'm sorry but he needs to go also. The whole coaching panel needs a rebuild

Couldnt agree more. It would be a good teaching video on the right way to play afl v the wrong way. Embarassing stuff.

The only people that can hold their head up high right now is he board. credit to hawks, they are so bloody good ahead of the ball you have to know that Chaplin, the defensive set up is amateur hour

Doesnt seem we are trying new things at the selection table which is fine. Id love to knock off the hawks and pies to give the club some confidence into 2026. On field, saw some newer things last week on field with Chaplin. Gawn and Langford both pushed forward more, Seems he's trying to address our biggest weakness of marks i50. Had Salem in for a couple of cbas. Dont mind that but hope he gives Rivers and maybe Chandler a run in there also. Hawks are bloody good forward of the ball and particularly inside 50s. They dont stop moving and create space very well. They dont have a player in the top 50 of player ratings but pushing for top 4. Sign of a very well coached team.

You'd want him to improve his kicking by a significant level. This year he has the 2nd worst kicking efficiency of any defender in the afl with more than 15 games. (Liam baker is worse) He is 5th worst in our team (usual suspects bottom four). But while he is statistically 'better', if you account for his possesssiona being mainly uncontested he is arguably dead last as a kick in our team.. (Last year he was also bottom 6.) Sure, its ok to put this down to inexperience for a period of time, some player need time and also decent presasons but if if this doesnt improve dramatically in the next 25 games no way should we just hope he 'comes good'. Id much rather have consistent accurate kicks langford salem chandler bowey and lindsay getting the bulk of our possessions. We cant just replace slow ball butchers with fast ball butchers.

Ya. Anb had the same issue and he said through coaching it got better. He needs to breath and pause mentally before he kicks. Just take that extra step, they wont carch you.

Taking emption out of it. Just facts. Petty and JVR are not in the top 150 forwards for marks inside 50 a game. The stat most correlated with win loss. Both facts. With half decent forward, which our list has, we would be playing finals (opinion) Pickett, Melksham and Fritta all are top 60 so lets not just blame delivery. Its shocking yes but these guys manage to get it done.. In fact, all three are at their career highs for marks inside 50 per game. If i continue to take enotion out of it, i would conclude that maybe its time to try May up forward, maybe Turner, maybe Jefferson who has nearly has many marks inside 50 as JVR and Petty despite playing only a handful of games. The poster is correct, Goodwin believes in his process despite evidence suggesting he needs to change the vaiables. He refuses to try new things. Its got nothing to do with emotions. Hes just getting it wrong with what he has. Plain and simple.

There's a reason why we are where we are. These selections put a exclamation mark on it.