Kev

I am hanging out in Thailand, Mueang Surathanni, with the wife. The days are 30°C plus, something like 303K. I've been listening to the games on the radio (ABC). The broadcasters seem to call the opposition more then us. Only when I see some video highlights do I realise we were also playing. It is tough to get a good read on our style. Anyone have some suggestions as to the best radio feed? Go Dee's!

Won last week, hoping we make it two in a row. We got the jump on North and if we can get a good start against the Lions we will be right in it. They have mental pressure on them as well, pushing for the eight, being favourites and at home. They could crack! I reckon we have always been a better away from home team. One day we will dominate the “G”, till then these away games are important to win. Play as a cohesive team, make it easier for each other, be clean with the ball, and fight for everything. Expecting a return to our best, a season defining game! Go Dees!

Why are we trying to handball straight down the line? (McQualter?) Means the receiver has their back turned to any on coming traffic, and they come quick and close the space. Silly strategy, could be lateral like the NRL, till the overlap is created. Then, the freedom from pressure, and it is easier to hit up a forward. It isn't there with the mids structure/system. We invited the pressure. Only time we created overlap, was after the errors the Woods made. Why aren't our disposal making it easier for each other? Too many kicks into the forward line where it became 1 on 2. How many times did we control the play only to make it difficult for the connection and so turn the ball over. At times we need to play keepings off and make less predictability, otherwise the opposition easily cuts out the angles, when we perform straight line hit ups. We are not running in waves together, players half a kick in front doesn't seem to work for us, even on a beautiful day like it was, how will that system go if a slippery day? We had no central corridor game, most plays hugged the boundary, very little take the risk inside, even when we needed to score quickly. We are not being creative, though if Goody said we improved, then we role played better. Need to help the players act more instinctual, especially when we had nothing to loose. Hope we can turn the slump around and improve our system.

Petty after some hand skills with all rehabbers, spent time on the exercise bike.

Salem didn't appear hurt.

Thailand

Beautiful morning for training. The dew has dried, out from AAMI, quiet chatting. Maysie does his heart symbol. 7 in rehab, Turner, Hore, Sestan, BBB, Petty, Spargo and Schache. All in runners. Melky weighted and change of angles work. Salem has his individual program. White cap (no contact), Howes, Woewodin and, Sparrow. Some players did laps, Gawn, Fullarton, McAdam, (a couple of others) as a competitive short pass at the mannequin ran. Low-key, running the cobwebs out. I didn't stay long, also I am off overseas for a few months. New trackers needed.

The leaves dropped early this month. A few, which can build with a wind and surface on the fence are still around. The dog owners are really good in this area. There is no designated duty, though trainers set up and measure distances, gives them plenty of scope to find issues. The surface of Gosch's is lush, a few caps to the irrigation system are covered by a heavy soil. The goal line turf had a recent refurbish.

Misty feel about the morning. Backs first out with Petty and TMac interacting with them. Suggest Hunter the sub. Woey was doing plenty of plays. Setting themselves with slings along the boundary connecting the backs to mids. From the mid-stoppages to central corridor, the spread out the back. Kossie is in his own zone.

I was trying to match name with the numbers. Ivey listed as number 19, Pissano is probably that number. A gun, with a fair bit of height.

There were about 16 MFC AfLW training. Some first drills involved capture of ribbon. They moved the ball with the emphasis on forward structure. Goal kicking, then 5 minutes of play each way. They bibbed up. Hore in control, setting standards. Coach Stinnear matched up to Taylor, teaching her about the body work and positioning needed as a defender. Ivey was amazing, great talent, good forward craft and has the ability to hit goals. Purcell went through some physio test, then joined the team for the sims. Powerful movements and skills. Mithin was full of leadership qualities and looking fit and strong, Lampard and Bannan showing skills and experience. Goldrick ready to go. Fitzsimon quick mover, Zanker clean hands and getting some goals off, 1 step. The standards were very good, they trained quite extensively. Turner was down with a trainer. Successfully ran a few laps at pace, was in footy boots, seemed to have ticked a box.

There were about 16 MFC AfLW training. Some first drills involved capture of ribbon. They moved the ball with the emphasis on forward structure. Goal kicking, then 5 minutes of play each way. They bibbed up. Hore in control, setting standards. Coach Stinnear matched up to Taylor, teaching her about the body work and positioning needed as a defender. Ivey was amazing, great talent, good forward craft and has the ability to hit goals. Purcell went through some physio test, then joined the team for the sims. Powerful movements and skills. Mithin was full of leadership qualities and looking fit and strong, Lampard and Bannan showing skills and experience. Goldrick ready to go. Fitzsimon quick mover, Zanker clean hands and getting some goals off, 1 step. The standards were very good, they trained quite extensively. Turner was down with a trainer. Successfully ran a few laps at pace, was in footy boots, seemed to have ticked a box.

Sorry to misinterpret, push out to the edges, use cliches, and make examples so to get a point across. Kind of taking an opportunity and exaggerating, in order to look with more ease, from a female point of view. Empathy will help us. You are right about the inclusion of men. I feel that is an important way to bring the harm out from behind the closed doors. The suicide rates are a huge issue. We have to be there for each other. Femicide by their intimates however is the issue at hand and a disgraceful one. Men seem afraid to have discussion about it. That impulse control, that cohersion, we have problems. Perhaps if more of us were their for each other, the suicides, as well as domestic violence may lessen. Can we talk about the hard issues? Can we act in a mature manner? What do we need to break the cycle? Our loved ones, how does it go so wrong?

Thanks King, hope you and your loved ones are doing well. Rode the roller-coaster, and able to put yourself out there. Takes plenty of emotional strength. Stay on the path, face the right direction. Do that role modelling, keep the communication lines open, today is a good day and this moment is the only one we have control of. Got to say, it is the daughters/women suffering more from the extremes of domestic dysfunction. Though understand to some extent, what the boys could face if they cannot have healthy relationships. Hope the kids have been protected from the worst of the dark times. Also hope, you are all making good decisions.

Totally agree, though normalising the discussion about the issues, I hope can bring the perpetrators out from the hiding places by shining light, raising community awareness, and in particular towards men, since women know it all to well. We could ask our mates, are you treating and talking well with those close to you? The little things may cause big changes and give an opportunity for deeper chats, being a better friend, and reduce harm. @SPC "loves the fact that there is awareness, the AFL should ditch some gambling ads or crypto ads and focus on domestic violence awareness ads. The perpetrators need to feel shame every time they switch on the footy. They should feel confronted and not be able to escape it, because that is how the victims feel." Men can play a big role in the dialogue, which may open and cleanse the community of the secrecy, and create more safety for our sisters.

Sorry to hear, stay strong, SPC. Be there for your friend. Perhaps, assist with a safety plan, and of course emotional support. Ask some services what is the best way to help them and yourself. Can be devastating when a friend is in pain. Lots of supports and services are available and that leaving the relationship is not something anyone has to do alone. Though, don't pressure them on this, leave all decisions to them.

What a damming stat that is, 1 in 5 turn their life around. At least they are talking about putting more funds into prevention. Especially when we are school aged. I would love to see therapeutic workshop areas as popular as the corner store. Not just dealing with DV, but all issues in our lives. There are more than 300 types of mainstream psychological theories, with numerous personal development programs stemming from them. Find and search for the correct approach where you and your intimates benefit. I suggest a bit of reading then jump in, with a kind of trial and error approach. Make it on your volition, really don't want the court orders as that means something has gone out of your hands, very likely self unrecognised, and family dynamics have spiralled far away from 'normal', into unsafe places. Therapy is best when I acknowledge my need to change and I reach out for help.

We cannot be defensive about this. The "they made me do it", is the wrong angle. Have dysfunction in your relationships, get help. Heal the situation while you still can, before it may spiral, do it for you and most importantly the damaging effect and distress on the kids. Being a better partner, by using various forms of strategies, and counselling can only assist us in being better people to be around. Life lessons that are useful throughout the journey, you may find greater peace, love, and freedom from conflict by addressing the dysfunction. Your intimates pay the price if we don't get the help, men or women within the storm. The Gendered approach is in response to the current social issues movement being addressed in the media by a ground swell of many saying, the violence has to stop, and how can we help.

@binman, don't be out. The whole point of the feminine asking for the masculine to come forward is that we stay 'in' and not put the issue of domestic violence, in the ignore, too hard basket, too sensitive an issue, unskilled for the discussion, or embarrassed. We are needed. Being one of the people who do or haved worked in the area, your reflections are definitely needed and wanted. I understand your hesitation in that we may harm others with our thoughts about the issue. The whole intention is to bring domestic violence out of the shadows, and that will obviously bring past and present pain. Men are reluctant to talk about it. Keep giving Bin and others. I for one am willing to put my thoughts out there, and will be sincerely reflective on the feedback I get.

There is a huge place for our institutions to help those having dysfunction in the relationship. Family therapy, etcetera, however the consequences of the assaulted person is devastating. I think the term male or female can be interchangeable in the discussion. Though most victims still are women. Leaving the family home with the kids, being financially independent, feeling safe in public because of the distrust, just feeling safe. I am not trying to dismiss the reality of psychology abuse towards the men. A sign of dysfunction, ask for help. Head in the right direction and life for each can improve. The kids would love the abuse to stop. Reach out make positive steps in the right direction. I know it takes two, and finding time and volition for both is not easy. As a supporter I say, get help, dynamics can snowball in the wrong direction and unhappiness permeate.

I probably won't, my preference is to stay with the victims in a heartfelt empathetic approach. I reckon solutions are to be left to the institutions, and as more men reach out (hoping), and there is less acting out, then they will make the family dynamics much better, whether in separation, or together.

That is therapy talk. Placate the client, break them down and build them up with appropriate behaviour. The victim, the victim, under a table in the foetal position, with the kids wanting daily activities. They could be the focus in the discussion. Leave the individual changes to professionals. Takes more than a phone counselling session, and education. Perpetrators please reach out for help. Victims, oh I wish I could help take "that" that I will never comprehend, away from you. You have many allies in most of us men.

The perpetrators are still in the minority, and as Binman said, need education. Though many would say, we need the courts and their administrators of AVO's, warrants and paroles to also be much more effective then what is practiced. The rest of us have to take a stand. Enough is enough, has rung out for years. I see similar to the "are you ok" campaign. Ask each other do you need help controlling the emotions, are you cohesive, are you yelling, are you hitting. Look your friend in the eye and get help or talk, bring the issue out from closed doors. Binman says we may not be qualified, could be doing more harm. I'd say cannot get much worse, growing numbers of victims, the knock on effect to society as a collective. Make a difference

Thanks Bin for your start, and the work you do or have done in this difficult and at times disgraceful stuff. If only I had what I posted before as a template. I hope good intentions are at the forefront of any discussion involving domestic violence. Many Women have asked men to 'step up', this is a male issue at heart, and we can and have to get engaged with the issue. Though for me personally it was/is a child issue. I grew up in an argumentative household. Please, anyone suffering the infliction of dealing in intimate relationships with cohersion and violence in its many forms, reach out for help. Now is the time. I'd like to say, the censorship in the training thread may have been because one person wanted to discuss the definition of "toxic masculinity", got a bit off kilter and because of the sensitivities that Binman talked about, down came the gavel.

The post below I have posted in a thread specific to the issue, thanks @binman who started it off (hope you don't mind). I have also been encouraged to post in the main threads and not hide this issue away in the back threads. "I think what Andy has noted above is really important, with the second para of critical importance and raises an issue that i was just thinking of highlighting - the safety of victim survivors, women and children who read DL. As long time posters could attest, for many years i derailed many football related threads with discussions about non football related societal issues (and yes i know everything is related) that i am passionate about - family violence included. For a range of reasons i try not to do so now. One reason is this is a footy forum. For example this thread is nominally about training and how fair is it for people who want to discuss training to wade through unrelated posts? And how fair for say a victim survivor to want to read training reports and instead get caught up in an unmoderated debate about men's use of violence? Which of course is not to say it is not an important discussion, or that i am saying there should not be the opportunity to discuss challenging issues on DL. But there is a place Andy and the people who designed this brilliant site specifically for non football related discussions: https://demonland.com/forums/forum/10-general-discussion/ On the topic of family violence, i wholeheartedly agree there needs to be discussion in society, particularly amongst men. But i don't believe a football focused thread is the appropriate space for such discussions (and even in the general forum i would have my concerns because of the risks of misinformation and traumatizing victim survivors if not expertly moderated - which is an incredibly difficult thing to do if the topic is family violence). I feel very strongly about this issue. I have a qualification in men's use of family violence, a prerequisite to become telephone counselor with the Men's Referral Service (MRS), which i did weekly for many years. MRS is a service for men who want to take responsibility for their choice to use violence. And in addition to working with victim survivors (which by the by will 100% include men on this site who experienced FV as children) and perpetrators across multiple community service sectors, I have done work in the men's behaviour change space. That work includes projects looking at the the law's response to perpetrators, including an analysis of the research into the efficacy of prevention strategies that focus on men's use of violence. I say all of that to establish I have a level of expertise and knowledge in the family violence space, and specifically men's use of violence. Thankfully i am not a moderator, but as someone with a level of expertise about family violence i was disturbed by many of the posts. And not just those that expressed views i vehemently disagreed with. Also some posts that whilst well meaning, if I am being completely honest, leant into the sort of dangerous myths, and even flat out misinformation, that are a huge part of the problem. And even with a level of expertise, and a significant amount of relevant training, experience and education about family violence, i don't know that I would have the specialist skills to moderate an online discussion between anonymous posters. And i would actively discourage any attempts to do so by anyone that does not have those high level skills. Almost impossible to keep such a space safe - even for specialist family violence organisations. It makes me fell ill that any woman reading this thread felt the need to reach out to Andy express discomfort and was made to feel unsafe. I can understand why. If anyone doubts the wisdom shutting down the conversation on this thread because they believe it is important to talk about family violence please consider the risks to the safety victim survivors, women and children who are part of our shared community here on DL. I 1000% support the decision to not have a discussion about family violence on a football thread. I think discussion is important. But i believe that the most important discussions are those by men with their family, particularly their sons, and friends, particularly their male friends. Unlike here, those conversations are not anonymous and are with people you love and trust. But I believe even more important than discussion is education. Well education first then discussion. Critical is understanding what family violence is, how many different types of family violence there are (eg financial control, psychological, electronic surveillance, control, emotional abuse, use of technology etc) and what drives it. A great place to start is arguably the most significant government led action in this space by any government, ever, Victoria's Royal Commission into Family Violence. For more general information Victoria's peak body for family and gender-based violence Safe Steps is a great. For information about men's use of violence, Victoria's peak for ending male violence, No to Violence is a terrific resource. And if you are man who is concerned about your use of violence, the Men's Referral Service is the national counselling, information and referral service for men who use violence and abuse who want to change their behaviour. It is a confidential, anonymous service available 24/7 that you can call on 1300 766 491.