Previously known as LITD.

You can't change everything by training. But it's a pretty safe bet we don't do anywhere near enough in this area. In fact they should triple whatever time currently spent on it. And then some. Maybe the club doesn't want to make it more of an issue from a mindset angle. But it could not get much worse anyway. Max and Tracca are the main offenders. I hate to criticize them. But as the two biggest leaders in the club it's not a good example. Surely the person responsible for it needs to be sacked ASAP. Too little, too late. Good bye and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

May forward would really be an exciting experiment. I think I put in a thread once and I was surprised how many were against it. Surely worth a try. We have the players to cover him. And I think he would be much better than Petty I've been hoping for a forward that has strength through his entire core. Someone like Melksham but bigger. I imagine the old ff who stands strong in a pack and marks. Not easily jostled away. Petts has many skills but I'd argue he gets pushed out of the comp too easy. I wanted to ask peeps if they think Goody is often too slow to make changes during a game? And stubborn in reversing previous calls. And not one to take risks. Maybe May is a good example. But v the Saints , I thought he could have moved Turner earlier or isolated KP fwd. Didn't seem to do much for me.

I detect a faint note of sarcasm in your post. And you know what they say about sarcasm. I think saying if we lose this one then a change of coach isn't unreasonable. If we lose, one could well argue that he hasn't turned our season around. I actually think we will win but in light of three years of poor goal kicking and a number of other factors, losing it is probably a fair litmus test for changing our coach. Not the end of the world . For me it's not really sacking the coach per se. It's really thinking of the benefit of changing one. I don't want three years of no finals. But that's just me. ( Oh sorry I was being sarcastic there). So yea it's pretty reasonable. So maybe cut the the sarcasm and be open to reason. Or not. But please don't be boring. I'm asking nicely. Cheers.

Out... Rubbish goal kicking. Laziness Maybe Goody. Last chance for.me. In Players that don't give up so easily. Some ticker. And some more of what we showed in the two games prior to the saints.

Started complacent and finished more so. Still there to be won in the last ten minutes but we just stopped. No leadership outside of a few and it was a sad sight to see given how much was at stake. Just our season. And given how hard we worked and played to turn things around, I don't get why we played the way we did, coached the way we did and then threw in the tell when we were only three goals down. Probably our worst game for the year. And I'm not alone calling for the end of NT games . Max has always been a barometer of our games. And he wasn't too bad but unfortunately Oliver is now one that is a telling player. I don't like to criticize him , so I'll just point out, when he is at his best, it makes a huge difference. Fritta tried but had no support in an injured Melksham, a casual KP who was well tagged and Petty who is still out of his depth as a fwd. After so many games there, it's time to move him back. Alas I fear unless we can beat the pies it's all over. Still a glimmer of hope but like north Melbourne you can't afford to drop these ones. You have to question Goodys effort v the saints. Moved Turner too late. Could have moved Kp or CO fwd. Laurie isn't a great Sub and Lever isn't ready. I really wouldn't mind seeing Goody throw the odd tantrum and drag players more often. I don't know why but it would at least make me feel better when I constantly see goal kicking like that.

Off topic, it has only been recently that Melksham has played well consistently. I always thought he struggled to string good games together. I'm not sure if his shoulder troubled him but I hope he hasn't gone back to JM of old. Don't get me wrong he had a great purple patch before he did his knee but prior to that I stand by my observation. Having said that he's been a big difference this year, except last weekend. He and KP are are now are key goal kickers. Saints tagged KP well and JM hurt his shoulder. And I really think Sparrow offers the most as a forward in the Tracc or Harmes mould. Hard to match up on. Fast, strong and accurate. In any case I'll keep shouting to move Petty back in defence. It's from, Jvr, AJ, TS, Fritta, JM and my wish list....Turner. That's a goal scoring combo there with KP isolated Fwd at times. Why the latter didn't happen v st kild is strange. Not like KP was having a day out. Goody is just too slow to make changes. Always has been. Sometimes a good thing. More often not. I'm pretty sure he won't be out coach next year. Ultimately as head coach our kicking errors must be upon on him. No learnings or excuses. The buck stops somewhere. Or should with him.

Not having a dig at you here PF but I'd give you a few weeks as courtesy coach. At least there would be no free rides. Although you can't play Jeffo non stop. I get we want Lever playing but it was tough on Tmac who gives so much to this club and wasn't playing poorly anyway. Lever is too injury prone at this stage in his career so I'm not sure what we can do about him. But he didn't improve much v Saints when we really struggled down back in the first. At least May came good and as long as Lever keeps playing like this we can't afford to shift Turner. Why Petty is still forward is a mystery I'll never understand.

Blessed are the cheese makers.

I agree that Turner has been our best. But he's also a better asset forward than Petty. If Lever was close to his best we could do it without hesitation. Turner could be our best forward. Unlike Petts he's not moved out of a contest as easily and is a very accurate set shot. If possible I'd put Tmac back in and have either him or Petty in the backline. Petty has played a good many games as a forward and he averages well under a goal per game. Nowhere near good enough. And he he gets the ball to ground well enough but you definitely need a ff who can average at least a minimum of two per game. At least. Our best forward line at present despite your misgivings, is Turner, JM, Fritta and maybe Jvr with AJ out. Plus Jvr a better relief for Max. I also think Sparrow is a handy player forward and it let's KP in the middle more often. Spargo as a crumber. We have to look at a players accuracy now more than ever. Spargo isn't great though. Turner is a great kick. And I hear what you are saying but we just don't have the fwds we need. Besides Lever , May, Petty and Tmac should be more than enough in defence.

I don't want to argue with Max or minimize the financial contribution this game gives us but we have a poor record there and it's effectively given us one more interstate game on top of the usual Kardinia park game one can count on. I humbly suggest the club find other ways for revenue. I'm also sure that sitting on planes saps energy from players so it should be avoided. As for home crowd advantage it's definitely not there. The other crowds are much more more loud. Either we are just quiet and or there are less of us. The main criteria should be winning. Making finals consistently and the money will come. Also we play way too many Sunday games and I think this impacts on the size of our crowds. Just my two cents. And it's a lot to expect people these days to have the sort of money to go to these games . I get that it's good for footy but I really don't believe it's good for us. Share it around. Maybe Kardinia park as well. With Tasmania about to enter the competition, it's going to get harder to make finals. We need every advantage we can get. Scrapping or reducing this, would be a good start.

This is why it's causing souch outrage. I mean one year..oh boy. Two years...they ought to fix this. But three years.....are they taking the.. Heads must roll to show they actually care. Credit to supporters that go and pay good money to watch games. But all patience is limited.

Half time is when it should have happened but my main issue with Goody is how slow he is to make changes. It's very frustrating.

Still ambivalent about this. But whoever is in charge of teaching goal kicking needs to go. Like three years ago. And return his salary. And be publicly shamed.

Get it over it . Remember it was entirely a footy action. Like picking an opponent up , body slamming them and river dancing on their face. And maybe the pies hopefully going on to win a flag may have been a small factor. They lost any thread of credibility on that day and should never be allowed to forget such a great injustice that didn't cause a player to miss a couple of games. He now watches his mates from the sidelines. Forever. I hope he takes a civil suit against as many as possible. As in a legal action.

It was exactly the same offence. Roulette justice mate. Hard not to be cynical or think there is bias a foot.