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10 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:
I'm not fussed in the slightest at the minute. That may be because Goodwin has coached us for only 4 games, but he isn't that far off the mark. Take out our bad kicking against the Cats and a brain fart in the third term last week and we are 4-0. He can't be getting too much wrong at the minute.
The stuff with Melksham makes me laugh, though. People keep knocking the block but then bringing up replacements who don't even play in the same position. Melksham, who I readily agree had a shocker last weekend, still beats out many others who we could play down back. It has allowed Salem to flourish in midfield, Hunt is released to use his pace more often and we have greater flexbility. I'll back Jake to turn things around.
Other than that? It's fine. You guys panic too much.
Calm, considered thoughts as usual Wiseblood. I'd also add that the palpable frustration being experienced by Cranky Franky and others assumes the apparent lack of transparency (from a supporter perspective) around the selection decisions is repeated with the playing group. I'm in no doubt whatsoever this wouldn't be the case. Clearly there are metrics other than the headline numbers we as supporters focus on that are driving whether you get in to the team and whether you stay there. You have to assume the playing group have been fully apprised of what's required.
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Keep in mind that of the guys being discussed following Saty's observations this morning, one will be the emergency (unless there's a plan for someone to play limited minutes in the VFL on Sat night and be the emergency on Mon night). Perhaps the emergency is Smith given his ability to play tall / small / forward and back.
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15 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:
Might be a bit of rain about Monday evening.
I'm not so sure we'll get 80,000. Although Richmond supporters will come out in huge numbers.
Rain will help us too.
Hope it floods.
Dees.
Steve, it's a Richmond home game and a Melbourne make-up game so 70,000 + 40,000 potential punters before the public gate. If the weather's fine (latest forecast is more promising than a few days ago) they mightn't be far from 80k.
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3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:
yep, 22 + 3 announced tonight, final 22 + 1 announced sat 5pm(ish)
For the avoidance of doubt and so as to corroborate JV7's post, the tweet reads: "No selection news tonight, folks. We'll be naming our team for Monday's Anzac Day Eve clash against Richmond on Saturday #AFLTigersDees" NO SQUAD TONIGHT, NOTHING, NADA........
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2 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:
We can blame the Freo loss squarely at the feet of Carlton's doctor and the MRP process.
We absolutely missed Lewis in the third quarter. Relevantly, Cripps has played the last two games, including playing out the game against us in full.
I'm surprised it's not getting more commentary.
Slobbo pushed it pretty hard on 360 last night. Lewis also acknowledged that the full implication of him being missing had hit hard whilst watching the last few minutes against Freo. One aspect of selection is that Casey play on Saturday night ie a full 2 days prior. And then the Essendon game is a less than 6 day turnaround (it's 5 for them!). I forget who lambasted me for mentioning this aspect previously, but it will be a factor. I flagged in another thread that in my view Pedersen needs to come in so as to afford us the possibility of a) leaving Watts forward; b) rotating Hogan through the midfield whilst still getting a contest. Weideman offers neither currently. It will be interesting to see if Goodwin rethinks things or persists - clearly an element of the Watts ruck chop-out has been to increase his exposure to contested footy. Question is, does it have a use by date. In my view it does, others I know have a different opinion.
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Agree with Pro Dee on many topics, but not on Pedersen.
We need him in the side, not because he will kick multiple goals necessarily but because he affords us the possibility of a) taking the ruck chop-out allowing Watts to stay forward and/or b;) being the KPF target allowing Hogan to roam in the midfield (either to get him in to the game if he's struggling or to support our somewhat spluttering midfield). Weideman offers neither of these options in the current configuration of the team and the overlay of his form makes it clear he must go back to Casey and regain confidence.
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18 minutes ago, america de cali said:
I think we will have truly arrived when we start beating good sides in hard fought battles in tight games. For the last year or so we have mostly won or lost too easily. Close score games last season were against deplorable sides like Essendon, Carlton and GC where we seem to do everything we can to lose.
We were much better against Carlton this year but against Geelong we were terrific for a long time but still rolled over too easily when the game was there to be won. How long has it been since we beat a switched on side in a hard fought game?
The Freo games has a lot of danger signs for us. If we do everything right we should win comfortably, but.....
A de C, the 4th quarter capitulation was indeed disappointing. One thing I think we all need to bear in mind though is that our list is still very young and on Saturday we were coming off a six day turnaround. The Cats were too, but it was notable that it was the older guys with the many pre-seasons (Jones, Selwood, Dangerfield and Vince, notwithstanding the toe) who stood up in the last quarter.
Today is a good litmus test though - coming off a defeat, a cool and still day, MCG deck, home crowd - we really need to bury Freo unequivocally. I hope the forward line functions - I worry about the Watts chop-out periods as Weideman can't orchestrate things down there in Hogan's absence.
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Only three undefeated teams at the end of round 3. I don't rate the Tigers basis who they've played (including WCE who just aren't competitive on the MCG) and as per the post match thread, the Cats are underwhelming. So yesterday's loss is hurting less now and our draw is looking even more favourable. If we can get the injury list under control and manage through the Gawn-less months, we could hit September in very good shape...
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Who are the MRP members this year anyway? Is Mark Fraser still the Chairman?
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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:
Again last night WB got all the leeway from umpires. Frees 31 to 18. Not only the number but where they were given - 2 or 3 frees in front of goal for Cloke and Boyd were a joke. The commentators thought so as well. The one against Mills was wrong - the criteria are: prior opportunity, distance from goal and pressure. At least 2 of the 3 applied to make the Mills point legit. (One could even make a case the free should have gone against Picken for staging - he stopped running and threw his hands up claiming the free well before Mills who was running at top speed had got near the ball).
That is at least 3 goals from frees. Not to mention all the throws (especially Libba) not paid. Also, Sydney were pinned for a lot of holding the ball when they had no prior opportunity, incorrect disposal when the ball fell out on being tackled or high contact. Very few of these, if any were paid against WB.
I would simply like each game umpired equally. Same rule interpretation for both clubs within the one game. If the umpires can't do that the AFL should send them back too the umpires equivalent of the VFL.
The WB have their premiership, its time the umpires were instructed to stop playing favourites!
What's even more staggering is that the appallingly biased umpiring in the GF was acknowledged publicly by Hayden Kennedy and the AFL. My expectation for this game was that they would be on high alert and the subconscious tendency to favour the Dogs (or whatever it is) wouldn't manifest itself for this game at least. How wrong can you be! I'm gobsmacked and there's clearly an issue that needs to be addressed. And for whoever it was that asked, yes Longmire did raise it in his presser, albeit in the guise of "we're clearly doing something wrong in the contest and we must change - it's our fault".
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49 minutes ago, binman said:
You're kiddind aren't you? Do you honestly think they only plan for the next match?
Thanks Binman. If mo64 paid any attention whatsoever to what was said publicly by the club last year (Josh Mahoney IIRC), he'd understand that there was very specific selection planning around the 6 day breaks and the interstate trips, particularly the Darwin one where humidity was involved. But perhaps ignorance is the preferred approach.
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Appreciate it's early in the season but freshness for the Geelong game (both clubs on 6 day turnarounds) may also be a factor. Vince will of course come back fresh for that match (as could whoever is the emergency against Carlton). Anyone who plays with Casey on Saturday will have a seven day turnaround. I would think they would want Bugg to play a match this week after missing out last week. Harmes may well end up as the emergency. And interestingly, if there's any contemplation of the two ruckmen experiment, Sunday's game against Carlton would be the lowest risk nearby window to give it a run.
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23 minutes ago, Dee-licious said:
Foxfooty calling for Wagner to come into the side, but I dont think he played?
No, he didn't. And for anyone coming back from a two week or longer layoff, other than the half dozen or so most senior players, I think a return via Casey will be the norm this season, unless the injury count grows. So Harmes, Tyson and Kent are in the mix, but not Frost and not Wagner. And since it's a squad for a Sunday match, Spencer and Bugg will come in to the squad as well. My tip is it's Tyson plus one of Harmes or Bugg that will get the nod
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Bernie needs to understand that there's a power of the badge vindictiveness that operates in this space ie he has trodden a very fine line on a number of occasions and quite possibly been given the benefit of the doubt. The expectation is that he learns from it and curbs his tendencies. Absent that, you have to expect this sort of outcome. Because they can.
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Unusually, am heading along solo today. Have a level one seat in section 48 but will watch from standing room somewhere with a beer or two in hand. Let me know if any Demonlanders are are of a like mind - there's safety in numbers so I'm told....
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Anyone who didn't play JLT and isn't considered "best 22" would be a big surprise: Hannan, Pedersen, Kennedy, Trengove. Jetta / Tyson / Kent / Garlett all have an element of surprise by virtue of limited JLT / Casey time. We shall see.....
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12 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:
2nd question..
Again what has Garry Lyon done?
Dazzle, I interpreted it as a reference to Lyon leaving us out of his top 8 forecast. Contrasts with Ox who has us 4th.
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7 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:
Training is more than just the sessions we are lucky enough to have our track watchers report from. There's also time spent in the gym and doing other stuff we don't get to see or hear about. Who knows - maybe the failure to meet KPIs was for not spending enough time in the gym. Or he turned up late to (or fell asleep in) a team meeting. If our seasoned track watchers think Jack's intensity on the track looks fine, maybe they're right and it's not on the paddock that any problems exist.
Not going to add any more fuel to this raging inferno but would just make this observation, as one of the regular track watchers by the way. The track watchers (myself included) naturally focus on the actions of the guys with ball in hand....and Watts has been elite in that space for some time. The rub on Jack (particularly from Goodwin and McCartney) at the end of 2015 going in to 2016 was his defensive stuff and attack on the football...attributes that they are adamant are the cornerstones of how Melbourne FC will play its footy. It's not too much of a stretch then to conclude that Jack may well have had a relapse in this area and/or returned in less than stellar shape fitness wise. The possibility of off-field indiscretions has also been raised but nobody has thus far shared credible intel. To conclude that he's been targeted or made a victim frankly beggars belief.
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Just now, Red and Blue realist said:
I've heard foot, potentially not good
Foot as in recurrence of the ankle issue.....or something else?
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16 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:
Reference for this please?
6 interchange and unlimited rotations in weeks three and four
Sounds like from Saty's report that AVB probably won't get up either. So it would be Johnstone, JKH, ANB, AVB out and possibly one or two of Bugg / Harmes / Weideman / Smith with some or all Watts, Jetta, Kent and Tyson in. The article on big Max in the Hun was interesting in that he openly talked about Goodwin being positively disposed to playing two rucks. It might however be a horses for courses approach and St Kilda at Etihad might not be a targeted game for that strategy....in which case maybe big Jake comes out this week.
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8 minutes ago, chook fowler said:
My apologies to Vanders - I was going by the TV stats. My bad.
Chook, hats off to you for having the humility to acknowledge your oversight. Not so commonplace around here! I thought some of his early disposal by hand and foot left a fair bit to be desired (JKH made one look good) but I thought he did a bit of work off the ball throughout and got better as the game wore on. Converting those two set shots won't do his chances any harm. And he is a difficult match-up, particularly if Petracca is up forward too as they require a similar strength level if you're to be a chance of negating them.
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Resigning Sam is good news, he's on the right track and has some key attributes in terms of kicking and marking skills. For anyone who saw the extent to which McGuire was bristling as host on Fox Footy when Sam played his first game against Hawthorn, it's clear that no stone will be left unturned by Collingwood to woo him across to the Pies if there's so much as a sniff. The heritage and tradition facets of AFL/VFL and Collingwood's role within them are near and dear to Eddie and clearly it rankles that such a famous Magpie name is on the Demons' list.
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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:
I'm glad you and others now accept that Jack:
- did not come back from pre-season unfit,
- does not have an attitude problem,
- any 'punishment' is for other KPI issues, and
- that Goodwin should be applauded for taking a stand.
A bit of revisionist history possibly LH?? Please don't lump me in with others! My assessment quite a long ways back in the course of this laborious thread was:
The Tom McDonald comments of afl.com.au make it clear that this is not a figment of ProDee's imagination, nor the original poster of the story. I think the Max Gawn interview did as well but accept it was somewhat open to interpretation whereas TMac is unequivocal and all that's left to ponder is whether a) Watts presented poorly for the intraclub; b) he broke or failed to adhere to team rules in the intraclub (presumably in terms of pressure acts / defensive actions). It is clearly not about how he presented for preseason training.
Having said that, this is a storm in a tea cup and simply represents an early line in the sand from Goodwin around expectations and the fact that there will be no exceptions, nor any tolerance of non conformance. Only way to run a footy club that's seriously focused on a journey for mine. Watts will learn and others that have a propensity to end up in the same space eg Jeffy will sit up and take notice. All good. Move on.
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8 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:
That is a selective quote, out of context. McDonald's quoted comments, in full were:
"It's about realigning what's important for the team," McDonald said.
"I can't really tell you guys (the media) what we're working on, but it's about understanding there's roles that have to be played.
"For our team it's not about kicking goals and getting touches, it's about doing what is required for the team."
So when I read the the first two lines (you omitted) I saw what followed in the context of Max's comments ie trying 2 ruckman and giving Vand and Weideman a go so no room for another tall. And, the realignment perhaps is Max's comment about playing 2 ruckman: Gawn/Spencer; Gawn/Watts.
Interesting how comments look when in context.
Just wondering if a full transcript of TMac's interview would now be sufficient context for you to work through the scenario of what's played out here? A F sums it up very succinctly and in essence corroborates the interpretation that PD and I and several others reached a good few hours ago. The complete overreaction by the media is a separate thread to the core story which is about Simon Goodwin ruthlessly establishing and enforcing standards. A storm in a tea cup as I said but a story nonetheless, a welcome one in fact as it underscores the extremely professional approach, without exceptions, that's now being taken with this football club.
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POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 9
in Melbourne Demons
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ProperDee, in the case of Nicholls I beg to differ. He has a track record of blatant bias against the MFC that is so significant the club ought to be doing something about it. Umpires, like players can have poor days. But the Nicholls vendetta against the MFC has gone way past that possibility and is clearly a case of systemic bias.