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If our first quarter is anything like it was against against North then Hawthorn will be up by 50 at quarter time.

Are they coaching issues though? How do you know? At this level, navigating how to enter the forward 50 in a smart and deliberate way is up to the individual. Bombing it aimlessly forward when your entire team know that the opposition have a loose man sitting back is not the coaches fault. Take our forward running set-play as an example: When we send a half-forward to run in off the square at a centre bounce from the half backline, it obviously means the oppo have a spare defender sitting inside our forward 50. Our players should be fully aware of that so if we happen to win a clearance at that centre bounce because of our extra runner coming through, we need to be entering our forward 50 with purpose and care, not just blazing away. The coach sets these plays. The individuals must carry them out. Tempo footy really isn't a plan B imo. It's just common sense. However, I'm more interested in the part before the "tide had turned", so to speak. I've just revisited the Brisbane game and there are were number of warning signs halfway through the third quarter that are the reason we lost control: - Individuals lost their ability to be clean with the ball in the contest - Some certain individuals lost some critical one-on-one contests at important times - The level of our ball use dropped significantly - We missed some opportunities to kick very easy goals during that quarter It was a matter of Brisbane picking up their contest game and ball use and us dropping away heavily in that area. That was the difference. Had we still been clean around the ball and kept our ball use up, the quarter would have been halved imo.

Astonishingly, I’m in total agreement with this post and your last. The talk of Goody and co needing a plan B, C, D etc is ridiculous. Look at any strong opposition side who have played consistently well over a period of time and you’ll see that they have one game plan and their players execute it to a consistently high level often. Hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney over the years, Richmond last year, Doggies in 16 etc. Our single quarter meltdowns are nothing to do with the way we’re coaching. Go over any of the footage from our second quarter against Geelong or the last 10 mins of the third and first half of the fourth against the Lions and it’s obvious to see that there is a distinct drop off from far too many individual players. Skill errors, decision making errors, fumbles, disciplinary issues, positional etc. They’re the first things that notably drop-off which give the opposition a chance to hit the scoreboard. Momentum comes later when an opposition can sense a swing in the game. Until we get a dozen or so guys playing at a consistently high level for four quarters, nothing will change, no matter who is sitting in the coaches box. Gawn has been playing half games, Lewis is not playing to a high enough level, Jones is not using the ball as well as he usually does, Melksham and ANB have been wildly inconsistent, the contrast of Garlett’s game this round compared to last. The list is endless for so many. It’s player driven. Our game plan is fine. We need more individuals playing high level footy for 4 quarters. Oliver is one. * Would like to make an apology to @Wiseblood for my last few posts directed to him. Supporting this team is infuriating at times.

Possibly doesn't need its own thread so to the overwatchers of this forum, feel free to merge. To anyone who has info, what is going on? I heard him interviewed during the week and he gave away nothing to suggest his omission was due to his wisdom teeth being pulled/lack of preparation. I had just assumed it was to do with that. He is a number 3 pick, highly talented and I can't understand why he's been overlooked again when any number of players could have been omitted for this week's game.

I do hope you jest.

Again, gotta love that we hear about this through external outlets and not the club.

Compete in a global market? lol. Nobody cares about the game outside of Australia and that's why it is such a sacred and special game given the popularity of it in our home country. I think you mean nationally, we are competing with soccer, which is a global game? The only reason the AFL continue to 'Americanise' the game is to make it more attractive globally and because $$$. As Australians, we kiss so much US dick it's disgusting.

I agree. And I’m happy that Frost and Oscar will be battling for that second tall position. It will make them better players individually and will hold them to higher accountability on game day. All of it being a positive for the club. We’ve also got the best crop of 21-23 year olds in the comp and it sound as if they want to stay together given their love for one another. That’s what excites me most about our future. They’re all super close.

Hardly a slap. I’m just using you as an example of the demonlander that greatly overrates our players.

It’s a contributing factor, sure. But it’s only structural now that we have Lever at the club. And that trade in itself said a lot about how the coaches viewed a backline of Oscar and Frost in tandem as talls. His footy fundamentals have never been up to scratch and he’s been trialled in almost every position, failing to lock down any of them. I was baiting supporters who loosely throw around the term ‘gun’. Which is an annoyance.

Frost simply has too many question marks to his game, not sure why that’s not obvious to some posters. Especially @Drunkn167 who has termed him a “gun”. His best go is in the backline. But Oscar has had an enormous summer and is looking solid. I wouldn’t be surprised if Frost missed against St Kilda either, unless we were to rest Oscar/Lever.

Non-story imo. I heard Tom McDonald say the same thing last contract. Perhaps the club has made a lowball offer, if anything.

JimmyGadson thanks DeeVoted

You are. But that’s cool.

Looks like a very natural footballer, which I love. And clearly, the FD believe our key defensive stocks are weak regardless of what @Satyriconhome believes. I'd go so far as to say that this bloke looks more impressive than Oscar did at the same age. We now have O-Mac, Frost, Keilty and Petty as developing keys with Lever the only definite best 22 key defender.

Would be a dream if he slipped, I love him.

I posted a bit on him on page 3 of this thread: Haven't seen Baker in the flesh, only a glimpse from his highlights vids but from what I can gather, speed would be about the only thing that they share in common. Petruccelle is very raw.

Listening to@ProDee and @jackaub presenting their arguments be like:

Either Port will look unbelievably stupid in the way they’ve gone about this trade period or they’ll make many other clubs look stupid for not taking a similar approach by winning a flag. It’s a risky strategy. But they’re going to have to make top 4 minimum to justify the way they’ve gone about things. Probably not the place to post that ^ but I’m amazed at how aggressive they’ve been. They clearly think they’re right in contention for a flag next year. In any case, as others have already expressed, I’m happy for Trengove and hope he lasts longer than a year on their list. As far as AFL footballer stories go, his has been pretty rough and he deserves some individual success.

No.

A gun footballer doesn't get dropped in a team that possesses the weakest and least experienced key defensive unit within the AFL sorry. Gun is another word that is thrown around far too loosely. Frost is a developing player with some glaringly obvious weaknesses to his game, he is most definitely not a "gun".

It has. Except that one time you called Frost a "gun".

Because IMO he is exactly the type we're screaming out for and I'm hopeful he'll be there at our first pick. Again, didn't set the world alight at state level but I saw him in Geelong's first final against Gippsland and he was super impressive. I think it's a good thing if he slides. Played most of the year at HB for the Falcons, is lightning quick with a precise left-foot and great spatial awareness. But what impressed me most in that final were his defensive efforts and his desire to scrap really hard when the ball was in dispute. I was expecting to see a player of his profile to be predominantly outside but he recorded 6 tackles in that first final, spoiled with intent and you could clearly see he had the hunger to defend hard as well as attack. Really good sign. I think he could be groomed to play wing at AFL level. I love him. Should have his own thread and sorry to derail this one.

Landing Ling at 29 would be a dream. I love him.

Have seen Jack at TAC cup level a few times this year in the flesh and he certainly provided some amazing moments. Some of the best from any individual I saw this year at Tac cup level. His high quality attributes that would stand-up at AFL level are his speed, jump, agility and hands. I agree with others in that he doesn't really address our kicking issues, although I don't believe his kicking is as bad as some suggest. I would say it's similar to Hunt's. Both need to learn to use their eyes and decision making but I think for Jack, that will come when he is on a list given his lack of exposure to these elite teams. In fact, I see a few similarities between he and Jayden in that sense. He played one Vic metro game I'm pretty sure and it's the one that's been posted on this thread. Hardly a highlights package given he was fairly quiet that day. At 29 I wouldn't entertain it, but for one of our picks in the 30's I would. I really liked what I saw this year. Would be an excellent small pressure forward who would possess great goal sense, contested pack marking and isn't afraid to throw his body around for someone weighing so little.